One of the big questions heading into spring workouts is whether Jamaal Charles can be an every down back for this fall's team. I'm curious what people think about JC as a guy who gets 25 carries a game, as there seems to be a significant contingent of folks who believe he's not durable enough to sustain a workload like that.
Which camp do you fall in? My affection for Charles is profound, so I may be a little blind to his limitations, but you can file me in the "20-25 touches per game is essential" camp.
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Where are the durability questions coming from?
He's never had a chance to be an every-down back.If the scheme is right, I think he can be an all-american in the next two years.
BrooklynHorn - March 5, 2007
The jury is still out on
JC.There seem to be several schools of thought and rumors surrounding why the coaches aren't giving him a vote of confidence as "the man".
The ceiling on his potential is in the statosphere for the kid, but I think some sporadic injuries and fumbles have rattled his cage a little.
Nobody will really know until next fall if he can rise to the challenge. It is hard to deny that he has had injuries both in HS and college that have limited his development.
It would be nice to see him put a complete season together.
EYESofBEVO - March 5, 2007
Not sure
He's not built like Ricky Williams and Cedric Benson, which has - I'm guessing - made people think he can't be an every down back.I don't really understand it, though. He's not skinny, and he's been building up strength while maintaining that sick speed. He reminds me more of Emmitt Smith than anyone else, but I think people think he's too fragile because he's not a Ricky/Ced hoss.
Peter Bean - March 5, 2007
Being Built Like Ricky or Cedric...
is a bit overrated and, I think, just an excuse for people/coaches to justify why JC isn't a 25 carry a game back.I think JC has a special gift. He is one of those guys that just has the natural ability and gift to play the game. You know how you can't "teach" speed; well, he has several intanglibles that you can't teach.
Can't you remember the excitement JC generated (among our fan base especially, but nationally as well) after his freshman year? He was a darkhorse Heisman candidate going into last season.
But, unfortunately, because he was sharing reps with Selvin Young, he was grossly under utilized last season. I would venture to say if we had the proper scheme in place last season and SY wasn't in the picture, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. We would be discussing whether JC or Colt McCoy has a better shot at winning the Heisman this year.
Just my thoughts.
Top Jimmy - March 5, 2007
Some things you can't teach
You're exactly right. Speed is one of those things. JC also has incredible balance and body awareness. Watch highlights of the Ohio State game from 2005. There are a couple plays in which he regains balance after nearly going down. Another play indicative of his cat-like-ness is the catch against Missouri from 2005 when he's backpeddling while catching, then twists and hits the endzone. There are several others I can't recall at the moment where he remains upright when 95% of other skill position players would've fallen.His modest personality and devotion to his evolution as a football player are also wonderful assets.
Kool Hand - March 6, 2007
Correct me if I'm wrong
but wasn't Hodges Mitchell our featured RB for a couple of years? And wasn't he smaller than JC is? (A quick Google-search finds reference to Hodges being 5' 7" and 190 lbs. in '99!!!) He ran for 1000 yards twice so he was getting plenty of carries. It must be a confidence issue for JC, if anything...Kahuna - March 5, 2007
Loaded question
Yes, he should definitely be a 20-25 carry back. He's just too great of a weapon to not be out there that much.I'm curious to see, though, how he handles focusing on football. Had he not participated in Spring drills to participate in track, there's no way he would be able to shoulder that heavy of a load. But since he's been working out and focusing on football, I see it being much more likely that he can, and will, be the feature back with only spot duty going to the back ups. I'm very excited to see what he does this year.
I can't remember where I read it (probably at Orangebloods.com) that he has really stepped up this year in terms of leadership and is punishing at practice. I can't wait!!
GoHorns - March 5, 2007
Of course he can!
Jamaal Charles - 6'1", 200Reggie Bush - 6'0", 200
Darren McFadden - 6'2", 205
Felix Jones - 6'0", 200
Allen Patrick - 6'0", 190
Poor Mack, if a RB isn't built like Natrone Means (at N.Carolina), then he gets all worried. If Jamaal Charles had gone anywhere but UT, he'd have 3,100 yards in the bank and would be one of the first names off of the tongues of sportwriters when contemplating Heisman Tropy candidates.
Maybe someday we'll play the best talent, rather than the best rah-rah. Selvin Young (2002- 408yds, 151, 106, 461, '06-591yds = 1,717 career yards) Give Jamaal Charles Selvin's 137 carries, at JC's season average of 5.3/carry, and he finishes the season at 1,557 yards! Make the same calculation for 2005, using JC's season average of 7.4/carry, and Jamaal finishes the season with 1,558 yards! Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops and Houston Nutt don't have ANY problem playing similar sized backs. Why can't we?? This durability question is in Mack's head and only Mack's head.
HornChamps - March 5, 2007
a question...
do you hate EVERY coach at UT just on general principle, or only the ones who have personally offended you in some way? every single comment you make on this site somehow belittles a UT coach. hell, your little tag line belittles Mack and DeLoss.i'm not saying there's no place for criticism, but come on man. this is the best of times, here. you don't have to be like one of those old alumni that comes to the games for the sole purpose of yelling at the coach to do something they want him to do because they're such fucking geniuses.
give it a rest, man. the schtick is tiresome.
billyzane - March 5, 2007
Billy do your homework......
Billy - You're reading comprehension is quite poor. I have nothing but the best to say about Rick Barnes. I've never commented on Augie, but it would be nothing but the highest of praise.Constructive criticism of Mack will continue. Sorry if you personally don't care for it. As for Ken Rucker - the fumbles have continued, he couldn't teach (during 2 seasons) Henry Melton how to carry his pads down low or how to hit the right hole and he couldn't develop a FB without pulling a DT out of the 2-deep. You might call that "coaching" but I don't.
As for my tagline, maybe you should do some accurate research. Go look at Mack's OOC schedule in his final 9 seasons at N.Carolina. It will make you ill. In his 9 seasons at UT, he has played exactly 3 ranked opponents in the OOC. ALL 3 (OhioSt. x 2 & UCLA) games where scheduled by his predecessor John Mackovic. Are you proud? Before you answer, do your homework. Go back to 1977 to current and look at our Longhorns' record against OU when playing a ranked team prior to the RRS. Then look at our LOSING record when we didn't play a ranked team prior to the RRS.
HornChamps - March 5, 2007
you want research???
i'll give you some research. before today, you had made 50 comments on this site. they break down as follows: 24 directly criticize one or more football coaches; 7 directly criticized current or former football players; 2 dismissed the success of this year's basketball team; and 17 did not criticize anyone official (though about half of those 17 were you directly criticizing another commenter with comment titles such as "Wrong!").if you want to break it down further, 24 of your first 29 comments on this site criticized either the football coaches or current/former players. and then 24 out of your first 37 were the same.
so i apologize if i misconstrued your feelings towards Barnes, but i think the fact that you're a one-trick pony when it comes to what you comment about on this site is well known. and if it wasn't, it is now.
billyzane - March 5, 2007
research=good......typing=bad
i meant to type 24 of the first 29 and 30 out of the first 37. my apologies.billyzane - March 5, 2007
This is why BZ
is my "Consigleri".....ouALWAYSsux - March 5, 2007
OOC scheduling
Here is a list of every OOC game played during Mack Brown's final 9 seasons at North Carolina.VMI, (2)Kentucky, (2)Navy, (3)S.Carolina, Miami,OH), UConn, Cincinnati, (2)Army, William & Mary, Furman, (2)Ohio, UTEP, (2)Tulane, (2)TCU, SMU, (2)Syracuse, (2)Louisville, Houston, Indiana and Stanford. Oh, and his AD forced him to play an (8-5)USC team in a PigSkin Classic for the money. That is one patsy after another for 9 full seasons!
Tell me Billy, do you buy season tickets? Every season? Or, do you talk big and pay zero?
HornChamps - March 5, 2007
Did you buy your Rose Bowl ticket?
It was nice that Mac scheduled us there two years in a row.Wells - March 5, 2007
you've totally missed the point
i'm not trying to start a fight. i live in new york and don't have the means to go to the games, as i'm a law student. but i'm not trying to get in a pissing contest about who's a better fan. i'm just saying that on this particular website, virtually all you do is criticize people. and i find this incredibly annoying and counterproductive, as i'm sure others do as well.and then you went and proved my point by making your comeback to my post not so much an attack on me as an attack on mack. AGAIN. just like you always do.
billyzane - March 5, 2007
Constructive Criticism
Maybe we have been getting a skewed perception of your thoughts on Mac and any current football coach on the UT staff, but it seems a bit more that constructive criticism. Move like a vendetta against longhorn coaches.Do you think we should fire Mac brown? Because it seems like you do from your constant tone on this site.
Wells - March 5, 2007
Wells.......
Jamaal Charles - 6'1", 200Reggie Bush - 6'0", 200
Darren McFadden - 6'2", 205
Felix Jones - 6'0", 200
Allen Patrick - 6'0", 190
Care to respond Wells?
HornChamps - March 5, 2007
Sure
I was not speaking directly to your comment, but your general focus on hatred for all things UT coaching staff.But thanks for the info.
Wells - March 5, 2007
Remember I'm 54 years old BZ....
I go to the games to party personally.............ouALWAYSsux - March 5, 2007
hey, no worries
nothing wrong with being old.....ish. overly-critical jerks come in all shapes, sizes and ages. i just see it more in relation to texas in the form of old alumni.billyzane - March 5, 2007
Just might try and
not offend some of us that might have a little age.. we're not your typical old fucks you know. I dare say that I party like I did in college.ouALWAYSsux - March 5, 2007
I think Hornsfan
has a point. I think its in Mack's head.kicker @ Burnt Orange Nation - March 5, 2007
sorry, Hornschamp
kicker @ Burnt Orange Nation - March 5, 2007
Who can say?
At this point, nobody's seen it attempted, so who knows? There definitely hasn't been any indication that he's not capable. I'm more curious (and far more hopeful) to see if we can utilize his speed better. Last year he even looked slow at times, with all of the sideways running. I almost forgot just how fast he was until that unbelievable burst he showed on his TD reception during the Alamo Bowl.For a speedy guy, he's also quite strong, and he shines once he's in the open field. We need some gaps inside the tackles that let him make cuts and maintain forward momentum. Last year we all noticed the lack of big running plays, and Charles is our big play back. We just need to get him past the line of scrimmage faster.
I'm a huge fan of Charles, and think he can do some amazing things. Greg Davis just needs to do a better job of taking advantage of his strengths.
Meekrob - March 5, 2007
those gaps
you speak of are key, IMO. i remember in the '05 season hearing a commentator say the RB coaches compare him to a wisp of smoke, weaving and cutting through gaps. i didn't see much of that this year. i think with vince, the opposing defense spread itself out a little more, and the gaps almost made themselves, but this past year, it seemed our guys didn't create much for the running game.greenman - March 5, 2007
good point...
I remember several times when our running game stalled for no apparent reason, I don't think JC is any less skilled than he was. I personally think it was more akin to a stubborn insistance of running a formation that made it alot harder to run out of if the QB is NOT Vince Young (and lets face it Young did/does run out of ANY set because of his mad skillz)More to the point, when UT lined up to run in a power set (excepting the times when Milton was back there poor chump!) both Selvin and Charles looked pretty darn good at times. But when we tried to run out of a sole back set and three WR's or two and our TE sneaking out into the pattern most average defenses catch on to that pretty fast.
At risk of being accused of being a Coach 'Hatah' I think we could be a bit more devoted to the run at times and give JC, and whomever else is back there the blocking scheme that would help them most a bit more frequently. With a new(er) O-line this year I think we all agree/know that its easier to run block than pass protect so lets break in the new unit by dominating on the run a bit more with JC leading the way and spelling him with some of your new talent...
longhornJ - March 6, 2007
I don't know
Both backs looked really good running the stretch play out of the shotgun early in the season, particularly against Ohio State. They got a few good runs with a blocking back, but they had much more success running play action with the blocking back in there. I'm just not sure why they don't run the 3 or 4 wide formations from under center with Charles back there.Bob LaBlog - March 6, 2007
Yes
Charles is more than capable--he definitely has the talent as well as the full package, and he's already a better blocker and pass-catcher than Selvin ever was.With that said, I think a two-back system is essential in today's game, and I'd really like to see someone step up early on (as Charles did two years ago against Ohio State).
jc25 - March 5, 2007
Enter: Vondrell McGee
The coaches are giddy about this kid.GoHorns - March 5, 2007
yup
he says he's put on 10 pounds since the end of last season in hopes of being an every down back, and that's in addition to putting off all track activities until after spring workouts so he can work with Mad Dog more intensely.It sounds promising, but we'll have to wait until we see him run again to make any judgments.
BigTexBD - March 5, 2007
mixed success of adding lots of weight...
Mad Dog made Ricky the physical freak he was and that helped his style a ton...but do you remember when Selvin blew up and lost a step of his quickness and had a very average to below average year trying to be Ricky Jr.? Wasn't until he slimmed back down to something more suitable to his frame that he recovered a bit of what made him a stud b4 he came to UT.longhornJ - March 6, 2007
good point
I just hope he does indeed go back to track workouts after spring football. The workouts he does in that program are designed specifically for building (and maintaining) speed. Whatever speed he might lose with his added bulk could be regained by running more with his new body.I wonder if Mack and Mad Dog talk to Coach Thornton (track coach) about special treatment for JC. Not "special" in the sense of treating him better than everyone else, but special as in different or modified workouts compared with the other sprinters.
BigTexBD - March 6, 2007
Here's why I DON'T want him getting 20-25
carries a game:I wan't him getting 4-8 passes tossed his way in open space. Either directly out of the RB position, or in motion to reveal an empty backfield.
Could he do both? Probably. Would it be best for that many touches a game? Only if the doctors have removed his fumble bone.
Hornbud - March 5, 2007
agreed, bud.
i was just about to post that. I was watching the tapes from 2005 (I do that sometimes I start to feel low) and VY was really able to get JC involved on the underneath passes. JC is killer in the open field. I really want to see Colt hitting JC a little more on the short stuff.kicker @ Burnt Orange Nation - March 5, 2007
yea
i don't know why all teams don't do this more often. usually the best athlete on the field is your RB so why not use him more, ala Reggie Bush. Charles for you and Goodson for us are two dynamic players who you couldn't go wrong with giving them the ball every snap.WacArnolds - March 5, 2007
few RB's have those kind of hands Wacky A
or else I'm sure they would...I think when these guys come from HS for the most part they were soooooo dominating running the ball their coaches would feel stupid working at getting them into the passing game (and why bother if they get you 200+ yards and 3 or 4 TD's on the ground?)longhornJ - March 6, 2007
the short stuff
everyone would be on here complaining about all the screens Greg Davis is running. You'd see 15 posts about how we never go deep.the other Andrew - March 5, 2007
I know
being a fan of a program that is expected to win a MNC every year is tough sometimes. Hahahaha. If it's not one thing its another.kicker @ Burnt Orange Nation - March 5, 2007
I don't mind the short stuff.
What pisses me off is when we ONLY throw short stuff on 3rd and forever during a game. Or any other time the entire stadium knows it's comming. Or when the short stuff is really a 20 yard pass.....horizontally to the LOS.There's a time and place for everything, including properly executed screens, designed routes, and safety valve dump offs. Picking the time and place is the difficult part.
Hornbud - March 5, 2007
JC can handle the load if it is the right load.
The kid is a burner and explosive speed.Can the coaches implement a rushing scheme that maximizes his abilities?
If they use him like last year behind some slow pulling lineman or pitch him the ball going laterally he is going to get hit and piled on.
For him to be effective and last, he needs quick plays where he uses his speed. The advantage to that is that tacklers can't get set and deliver a full force blow, all he gets are a series of glancing blows which reduce the wear and tear on the body.
I worry more can he keep from fumbling?
Xerxes - March 5, 2007
i remember...
Cedric Benson being a notorious fumbler during his senior year (although Texas almost always recovered)...yet this year for the Bears his first fumble came in the Super Bowl (which can partially be attributed to the rain).Not sure how relevant this is, just thought I'd point it out.
jc25 - March 5, 2007
the Mack ooc sked at North Carolina
I loved that discussion, debate, whatever.This is such a fun site....
True story....when Mack came here we were starved for consistency. A friend who is a big
NC fan called me....his assessment follows.
"You'll love him because he will always win
10-games. After two or three years you'll tire
of his boring offense. And, he'll never win the
big one."
Now a resident of Nashville, he called couple
months ago to thank me for VY and re-inforce his original thesis re: Mack....
"I wasn't wrong, VY could make anyone less boring."
lutherpard - March 5, 2007
I still maintain
That no matter who our offensive coordinator or head coach was, we'd be hearing constant grumblings of dissatisfaction.Every college football fan in the country hates their offensive coordinator.
Peter Bean - March 5, 2007
true dat
aside from the first 5-10 minutes of euphoria after winning an MNC, this is true. Go right back to hatin your OC.kicker @ Burnt Orange Nation - March 5, 2007
Go to an ND site
and even Saint Charlie Weis has been questioned.On any given day you can read someone bitching about Darius Walker not having enough creative run plays, because he was an AA caliber RB who was wasted.
I must have been watching a different offense. Weis took a lump of poo and made it shine for two seasons.
At USC they ride Carroll for controlling the D too much, so he gives up the D coordinator position and now they want a new O Coordinator. Talk about never happy.
I'm a card carrying GD hatah, but I try to be specific when criticizing -- and attempt to bring original debate to the table. I also recognize what GD does well -- and throw him an occasional bone.
I just don't think his positive attributes outweigh the bad.
EYESofBEVO - March 5, 2007
I'm confident....
the Florida Gator fans aren't complaining about OC Dan Mullen after going 22-4 and winning a Nat'l Championship.HornChamps - March 5, 2007
Have you been reading EDSB?
That was all they were doing all season was complaining about their anemic offense.Wells - March 5, 2007
That
and how Leak can't win the big game.Wells - March 5, 2007
Not that you'll get it.....
I've been reading Gator Country (Scout.com's #1 set of boards with 237,000+ daily visits) for years. They recognize a muti-faceted offense with tons of motion and misdirection capable of destroying a slow*ss Buckeye team 41-14!HornChamps - March 5, 2007
I'm sorry that I can't understand
I am too busy designing spacecraft for a living.What is it that you do?
Wells - March 5, 2007
So now.....
you wish to "pretend" you weren't reading this EDSB (you refer to) to learn "That was all they were doing all season was complaining about their anemic offense....that and how Leak can't win the big game."???? Wells, you play a great crawfish as you swim backwards from your earlier claims! Hahaha!BTW, are you a season ticketholder? Or, do you talk big and pay zero?
HornChamps - March 5, 2007
WTF does this mean?
"are you a season ticketholder? Or, do you talk big and pay zero?"this is the second time you've asked someone this. i don't even know what that means! why do you have to have season tickets in order to comment on Texas sports? it might make some semblance of sense if you were saying that we don't have any right to criticize the Horns if we don't go to the games... it would be a stupid argument, but it's still an argument...
but we're not criticizing Texas. we're saying that you criticize too much! how is that talking big? and why would being a season ticketholder allow us to talk big (whatever that means), as apparently you are permitted to do by virtue of your season tickets? it makes no sense!
billyzane - March 5, 2007
I think the point he is trying to make
is that because he pays to see the games, he wants a better schedule. A valid argument, but I don't really see how it is pertinent to this discussion or explains his single focused hatred for UT football coaches.Wells - March 5, 2007
Yes, the first time ....
was to you billy. Now I understand your stance. Why should you be upset about a limp-wristed OOC schedule? You're not being asked to spend $45/ticket, plus Foundation contribution, to watch a pathetic blowout. I'm saying you apologize too much. You excuse too much. You rationalize too much. From my position, you make no sense.HornChamps - March 5, 2007
I understand that you dont like the schedule
but how does that translate to hating everything about the coaching staff?Wells - March 5, 2007
Pffff......
Ever notice you're the only one using the word "hate" or "hating"? Work on your poor reading comprehension skills and quit your pathetic over-stating of the facts.HornChamps - March 5, 2007
Hey old man
Coltrol+F and then type in hate. There are at least three people on this thread who call you out for hating on this thread, so I guess it is not just myself who is pathetically over-stating the facts.Re-read the thread, I did not try to attack you personally, I was just trying to get you to state a rational reason or at least to help us understand your position on why you hate, i mean dislike the current coaching staff. BZ has given up on you, but I still think there is some semblance of hope for you, as you basketball posts seem to have a reasonable thought in them.
Wells - March 5, 2007
Why dont you vote with your wallet?
If you're so angry at ticket prices and crappy OOC schedules, dont renew next year. If enough people are as dissatisfied as you are and do the same thing, then maybe a change will happen.If it's one thing the Athletic Dept understands, it's money.
the other Andrew - March 5, 2007
I live in DC
so I don't have season tickets. But my family have had 4 tickets to basketball and football for the last 25+ years, and extended family has a lot more. I do go to about 2 - 3 football games, including the OU game for 12 of the last 13 years. I also get to at least 3 or 4 basketball games a year.How long you been paying for tickets, or did you just get them and are paying way more than my family to sit next to them because you came late to the party?
Do you really not know what EDSBS is?
EDSBS is a blog covering the Gators, and there were plenty of doubters of the mighty Florida offense when they lost to Auburn and some who questioned if the spread could translate to the SEC. So, while you laugh at your own strange joke that makes little sense (weird), my point is still valid even if on scout.com every commenter stayed 100% positive throughout the season, which I highly doubt.
The other response was because you decided to make it personal by attacking my intelligence, so I establish my credentials, how about you HC?
Wells - March 5, 2007
Hmmmm.....
Actually it was YOU that made it personal 40 posts ago when you called me numerous names that don't need to be repeated. Anyway, you're definitely not worth the time to look up your little childish profanities.Yes, a blog that is no where close to the size of Gator Country. You want a better representation of their fanbase? Read the posts of more fans.
Just so you know, I've lived in Austin since 1959. You weren't even a dribble down your mama's.....oops no use stooping to your level. I've been buying season tickets for 28 years now. Meanwhile you're just hoping you can change Daddy's mailing address to your own, so you can "inherit" his season tickets w/o having to up your contribution. Hahaha!
Guess what sport. You could be collecting DC's garbage or be President George Bush himself and in neither case would your occupation buy you any credibility. Though I'm not surprised you're shallow enough to believe the contrary.
HornChamps - March 5, 2007
HornChamps...
I think I speak for a lot of the people not involved in this discussion when I say that you're out of line here.If you believe that the only people qualified to have an opinion on Texas football are season ticket holders, then stop wasting your time here and start a forum for season ticket holders.
If not, and you have any opinion other than "Mack sucks because he doesn't schedule Michigan and Florida" and "Everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" then I would love to hear it.
boomhauer25 - March 5, 2007
I've met you
You're that guy who boos student athletes and calls Mack's phone at 2 in the morning and leaves nasty messages.Like I said, if you're so unhappy, vote with your wallet. You obviously have the conviction, but do you have the balls to cancel your season tickets for something you believe in?
the other Andrew - March 5, 2007
The beautiful thing
about this wondrous Burnt Orange Nation is that we can have wide ranging discussions and arguments with adults (more or less) about the most important thing in the world: University of Texas Longhorn athletics.A while back, 54b did a humorous job of summarizing some of the different types that make up this community. One he noted was the "Progressive Party BON'er" and let me quote the entirety for full effect:
Mr. Positive. It doesn't matter how myopic or ineffective UT's offensive coordinator may be or how many pounds of marijuana the cops just found in our star tailback's Jan Sport, this contributor makes no apologies nor concessions and supports the Horns 100% with unmitigating resolve. They're Longhorn zealots to be sure. So steadfast is their bias towards the burnt orange, that if OJ was a Longhorn, not only would this type of contributor think him not guilty, they'd probably rename the Law School after the Juice if they could.
However, he didn't categorize the opposite type of BON'er in his study. I won't attempt to, I'm not nearly that creative. Basically though, it's the BON'er who loves the Longhorns but is quicker to see (and point out) the negative aspects of our teams: from a certain player's inability to hit a running floater to save his freekin' life to a certain OC's "lifetime pass" being solely based on his "duh" realization that no matter what play he called, his superhuman QB would be able to do better based solely on his intuition and skill.
Take a wild guess as to which side I'm on. I've tried to work on it over the years (I grew up in a household where yelling at the TV screen during the UT games was expected, usually at the UT coaching staff) but in my head, there's always a better place where Texas only loses because of unlucky breaks, untimely injuries, and star players' realization that Jester is really a crappy place to live longer than 1 or 2 years and apartments on Riverside aren't that much better.
What I'm getting at is there's room for all kinds here on the BON, aside of that short-lived Captain Dhab return or another brazos sighting. Some of us see nothing but the good, some little but the bad, but as long as we can have civil and vaguely intelligent conversations about it, isn't that what we should be striving for?
And one last thing: Greg Davis sucked before Vince stepped on the field and continued sucking seconds after 41-38 flashed on the scoreboard.
Kahuna - March 5, 2007
I always thought
that the opposite to the PP BONer description was missing.Kahuna, please don't implicate yourself with Hornschamps, I respect you too much for that.
Wells - March 5, 2007
I try to be my own man
And I also try to live and let live, when possible. Mostly, I'm just not a big fan of people telling other people what they can and cannot think or say, within our reasonable discourse. That means that womens basketball is always a valid diary entry, Hornschamps can hate on the coaching staff (as long as its for the greater Longhorns good in his mind), and we can all opine about the Horns whether we bought season tickets or not. It goes back to the "I hate what you have to say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" thing.But, whatever, it's just my opinion, do with it what you will. Have at it gents...
Kahuna - March 5, 2007
Agree with you there
I am all for the right to say what ever you want, but everyone has to deal with some one else calling them out for saying it. Freedom of speach does not mean freedom from repercutions.Wells - March 5, 2007
Kahuna gets it.
Amen Kahuna! Finally, someone who understands that we are THE University of Texas and we deserve the very finest football/athletic program in the country! There are those who wish to ignore mediocrity, rationalize mediocrity, make excuses for mediocrity and then there are those who won't pretend to excuse GDGD (without the play of VY).HornChamps - March 5, 2007
i apologize for hijacking the thread
i've said my piece, so i'm gonna bow out of this thing. i just think there are more constructive things to do than just bitch in every single comment on this website. i'm not saying the criticisms aren't justified or that people haven't somehow suffered as a result. i'm just sick of one person being so negative so consistently without anything else substantive to add. and i know i'm not alone.i'm out.
billyzane - March 5, 2007
What was the question?
Oh yeah, something about #25 and carrying the load in '07.Did anyone else read the interview w/ Colt from Saturday? Forgive me for not knowing how to italicize, but the quote is below:
On Jamaal Charles: "He's definitely working hard in the weight room. We've been working together for a long time. We've been staying in afterwards and working out together. He has really put on a lot of weight. He looks like a new man."
So the obvious questions are: What is 'a lot of weight?' & How is his speed with this extra muscle on the frame?
Shake - March 6, 2007
Mack Brown doesn't read Burnt Orange Nation
He SHOULD. But he doesn't.So... who is really getting their feelings hurt here?
houstonrules - March 5, 2007
oh, and speaking of Jamaal...
...last year was definitely a disappointment. Primarily, I think, because there just weren't any signature plays. Other than the pass in the bowl game, what springs to your mind when you think of JC's year?Contrast that to his freshman year, where you had the OU 80-yarder, the little pass in the tOSU game at the end of the half, and several others where he got hit and bounced on, making 5 yarders into 15 yarders, and 10 yarders into 30 yarders...
I'm not really sure why the lack of explosive plays from JC. Missing VY? Sure... and Ramonce too. But still, you'd think there'd be a few 30-40 yarders in there. It's not like we didn't have a legitimate passing game. And for all the good things said about our line, we never really looked like a good run-blocking team. I've seen a lot of theories, from secret injuries to bad coaching (oh, God yes, we've seen that theory...), and in the end, who knows? Maybe a combination of a whole lot of things...
I still think he can be special. And I agree we need to find ways of getting him the ball in space. Also, nagging injuries aside (and, hopefully not to recur), I think he definitely can carry the load. To the earlier post, though, he does not really at all remind me of Emmitt. He does seem to have a little Dorsett in him though...
agent orange - March 5, 2007
wow
^^^^ time well spent, guysthejahpaul - March 6, 2007
NFL
so Cowboys got big ol' Leonard Davis. Will these following two departures mean more playing time for some Longhorns??Travis Henry (Denver?)
Thomas Jones (NYJ?)
I'd love to see Big Marine getting some totes!
thejahpaul - March 6, 2007
Curious
I'm curious to see what happens with TN the rest of the offseason. I guess LenDale White's gonna be the guy?Peter Bean - March 6, 2007
yes it's gotta be White
as of now, but they'll need a speedier/shiftier back (not that this is Hall) for a changeup, no?thejahpaul - March 6, 2007
Take it outside, boys
Could the moderator please delete all these pissy little comments so those of us who don't care who said what about who else can read the posts that have some substance? Out of 70 here, maybe half are worth reading. Let the trolls work out their personal attacks by email.Caradoc - March 6, 2007
Sorry about that
my fault for hijacking the post. In case you have not noticed I can have a hard time just letting things go from time to time.I don't think arbitrarily deleting comments is a good practice for the mods, and I think for the most part the BON community keeps it civil and on topic. I will try not to boor the community with the non-substantive post from now on.
Wells - March 6, 2007
JC definitely has the talent,...
but, as we all know, he puts the ball on the ground too often. As a coach, what can you do except run him through fumble drills over,... and over,... and over, until he learns how to hold on to the skin.No doubt, he can be as good as any RB in the nation, providing he overcomes this "fumbling thing", and providing our OL comes through. Thus far, it sounds like he's doing all the right things by focusing on football and becoming a better, more productive RB. During this Spring practice, JC needs to establish himself as a Leader. His increased focus on football will help "boost" this team and launch them toward a GREAT Season. It's Awesome how "Very Special" teams can be when each player becomes focused on the ultimate goal of WINNING!! All said,... Team Leaders make it happen.
candohorn - March 6, 2007
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