The latest BCS ratings are out and Texas is your new number 2. Despite being ranked fourth in both the Harris and the USA Today Coaches polls, Texas jumps into the top two because of computer strength.
Oklahoma is a close, very close, number three.
It is likely that Oklahoma will wipe out a large portion of our computer advantage after another week of play. A road win over Oklahoma State is going to be worth a lot more than a home victory over Texas A&M. So, in order for the Longhorns to stay ahead of the Sooners, a few human voters will need to reevaluate their poll rankings.
Cue BZ's talking points below.
Or Baylor could just beat Texas Tech in Lubbock and end all this madness.
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thank god..
but it all has JUST begun
afhook08 - November 23, 2008
THere's ONly One Way To Handle This
A TX-OU Re-Match, the Definitive Answer. no more whining, just helmet to helmet, pad to pad, conclusive resolution.
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
It already happened.
45-35 in Dallas.
hornalum08 - November 23, 2008
yea yeah yeah, BUT
then we lost to a horrible Texas Tech team, and then OU smeared them by 6 touchdowns, so we have to have a re-match.
LonghornsPwn - November 24, 2008
Tech isn't "horrible"
You think OU would’ve beaten them by 6 TDs if the game was in Lubbock?
goingforthecorner - November 24, 2008
...
wait, why is that the only website that has an update…not even www.bcsfootball.org? wtf
afhook08 - November 23, 2008
Not Sure
ESPN and FOX don’t have it yet. The Giants game just ended, maybe Fox is waiting to announce them on the air.
awiggo - November 23, 2008
Those are
projections at cfn. The actual BCS rankings will be announced on Fox’s NFL post-game show. Sit tight.
Tech92 - November 23, 2008
These are the rankings
http://cfn.scout.com/2/814943.html
JohnsonUT - November 23, 2008
Computers
OU jumped Texas in two computers.
JohnsonUT - November 23, 2008
More computers
Texas has the advantage over Alabama in three computers, up from two since last week
greenman - November 23, 2008
if you click on the link at top...those are the same..nt whills
vy til i die - November 23, 2008
YES
OFFICIAL!!!! YES
afhook08 - November 23, 2008
Texas weathered the post-Tech storm
Now, its time for Mack to light a fire at his Monday press conference. Like it or not, he has to lobby voters. Someone, please send him BZ’s talking points.
the1austin - November 23, 2008
Lobbying isn't going to help much
especially A) If OU simply wins Bedlam (pickup on computer strength and some human voters), and B) if OU thumps the Pokes (both computers and even more voters). UT gets the Aggies, which even if it’s a slaughter is going to be expected,god forbid if it’s close (even if it’s a rivalry game). There’s just not a glory game left on the ’Horns schedule between now and KC.
Stuck in the Plains - November 23, 2008
Yes it will
This is an unprecedented moment in BCS history.
Voters will be focusing on the merits of Texas vs. OU. Looking at the Harris and coaches poll combined, there are hundreds of voters. It is impossible to believe that there will not be a fairly significant number of voters whose minds aren’t completely closed to reconsidering their votes in what will be the “final” vote for determining the Big XII South champ.
With that in mind, voters who are open to suggestion will then look to the slightest excuse to move a team up or down this week based on their efforts, to a much greater extent if this were a regular week in the season.
I personally think our argument (45-35) trumps anything OU can throw our way. And I know that OU supports will disagree with that assessment.
Any kind of UT supporter with a public forum needs to be out there every possible second this week making that argument over and over.,
Hopkins Horn - November 23, 2008
Unfortunately...
…an OU beat down in Stillwater will trump our 45-35.
duras - November 23, 2008
Wait, an OU win?
How?
hornalum08 - November 23, 2008
To the extent that the tie for the South
… is broken by the BCS standings we will need to catch up with the voters to stay ahead of OU if the win next weekend. The win will give OU a significant, and perhaps decisive edge via the computers. Although even at this time the voters seem to prefer OU our case, made most comprehensively and quite convincingly by BZ, might induce some of them to change their minds when it is all on the line. We can look to their vaulting LSU over Virginia Tech and Georgia last year as precedent. However, if OU does destroy OSU, our close win at home will weaken our case substantially and make such changing of minds unlikely.
duras - November 23, 2008
BCS
The BCS average is too close and our strength of schedule weakens as OU’s gets better. The only thing we can hope for is UT to blow out the Ag’s and for OU to win unimpressively in Stillwater. If the human voters keep us close to OU then we may have a shot. As the trusty eight ball use to tell me “outlook not so good.” IMO
Atownatx - November 24, 2008
Lobbying will absolutely help..
If the media can shift the argument away from the Tech thrashing to the head to head beatdown Texas gave OU in Dallas, voters will change their minds. To think voters will not be swayed by public perception is ridiculous.
the1austin - November 23, 2008
It won't help that much
rightly or wrongly, it won’t. The RRS was closer than the score: A special teams play, etc…You can’t have it both ways (e.g., get slaughtered 1st half against the Raiders and call it ‘last play’, contra, tight game against OU with a final double digit win, and call it a definitive victory). Yes, pollsters memories are short, but there are several things working against you now. 1) OU does, abso-frikkin-lutely does, have the better resume, the better overall skeddie and the best win (hands down, of anyone). 2). The computers get to contrast OU (#3) v. Okie State (#11) in 6 days. UT gets the Horns who are only on the radar of suck. So, yes, lobbying helped in 2005. This year, not so much. And I will stand by that. It’s not hate, just objectivity and a passion for game (flawed as the bullshit system we have is). BTW: Honestly. Given where UT is RIGHT NOW, and the Dirt Burglars (RIGHT NOW), any takers on two outta’ three…not this one.
Stuck in the Plains - November 23, 2008
S***
NOT HORNS (UGHHH!). Meant Aggies. Please direct all hate mail to another address….you know what I meant.
Stuck in the Plains - November 23, 2008
I hear what you're saying
But you’re giving me is OU’s lobbying points. You might be right that pro-Texas and pro-OU lobbying will cancel each other out. I think that the margin is so narrow that even a swing of a few points could be decisive.
Assuming both TX & OU win this week, you have the following groups of pollsters:
(1) Those who already have Texas ahead of OU, or vice versa, and will not be persuaded to change their votes in the absence of a loss. These voters can’t be lobbied.
(2) Those who are uncomfortable with their vote from last week and are looking for any type of on-the-field excuse to swap teams. Someone who has Texas ahead of OU might swap them with a ho-hum Texas victory this week. The extent to which these voters will be prepared to pull the trigger on a swap can be influenced by the arguments they hear during the week.
(3) Slightly different than the above group, the group of voters who will listen to arguments before Thursday (hey, 45-35 is a pretty compelling argument) and change their ballots more or less regardless of what happens this week.
Given the importance of this ballot and the narrow degree of separation, I would expect a hell of a lot more fluidity than in a typical week. But you are right in that the fluidity could cancel itself out.
Hopkins Horn - November 24, 2008
I think the meme is divided...which helps
A lot of talking heads are NOT, despite what most folks fear, yammering about the TTU beat down…some are, to be sure, but just as many are saying head-to-head.
Stuck in the Plains - November 24, 2008
Hook'Em...
Horns. Number 2 baby, we need a big game this Thursday where we beat A&M the same way we beat Colorado in our National Championship Season. Hex Rally in full effect. BEAT A&M bad and shut these flaming Sooner fans and the Nation up!!! UT is the best Big 12 South team to represent in Kansas as well as in Miami.
toddo - November 23, 2008
Assuming you're talking about the Big XII Championship Game
It’s actually in Missouri at Arrowhead.
ajax77777 - November 23, 2008
Yesterday was the best day of my life football-wise
I have never taken more pleasurei in a football game than i did yesterday. I could barely control my enthusiasm and contain my composure everytime Tech had destroyed and man-handled and it just kept going on and on and on until I was rolling on the ground laughing. Tech came in Number 2 and went home Through!!!!! As in Done, stick a fork em’, they got pwned on national TV!!!!!
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
I would say the 2005 Rose Bowl was a better game experience for me.
You must really, really hate Tech.
the1austin - November 23, 2008
Though the MNC was awesome, I was more euphoric during the 2004 Rose Bowl
bamfor - November 23, 2008
Any fan of college football will enjoy this article...
On Tech’s activities once they get to a road destination. Interesting read…..
the1austin - November 23, 2008
There's a lot of football to be played................
Big Game Bob has a 7 year history of laying big game eggs, just when he isn’t expected to…..Boise State, -tech, colo, and W. Virginia last year, Us this year….and he only has a 40% bowl win record to boot……so lets see how the weekend goes….but it is great to realize that SOS and head to head still have credence in the BCS formula.
We do need a big win Thursday….and I’m pretty sure we are gonna get it !!!
GO HORNS !!!!
MeatchickenHorn - November 23, 2008
I just heard
someone on College Football Primetime that USC should be ranked ahead of Florida by virtue of Florida losing at home to Ole Miss and USC losing to a “very good” Oregon State team.
BlinkOneGun - November 23, 2008
yeah..
that was on espn for the UCONN vs South Florida they said that. USC should be below Utah if I had any say. Florida is a good team, USC is garbage. USC barely beat Arizona, lost to Oregon State. USC isn’t even going to win the PAC 10… A 3 loss team will win. I think they should keep USC out of the BCS and give it to 3 Big 12 South teams. Texas in Miami, Oklahoma in Arizona, and Tech in New Orleans. Screw USC you can’t win your pathetic WAC 10, you go to the Holiday Bowl where a Big 12 North team will whip that A$$…
toddo - November 23, 2008
USC vs Tech in the Holiday bowl?
BlinkOneGun - November 23, 2008
We Need to Kick the Shit out of the Faggies
After the game is over against A&M, there needs to be at least a 10 touchdown margin and all the Aggies need to be laying on the ground bleeding with broken bones and blood everywhere.
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
As graphic and brutal as that sounds...
agreed….busted up faggies scattered about.
TEXAS_FIGHT07 - November 23, 2008
Easy Guys
Those type of comments won’t be tolerated. Think of a different way to attack A&M.
awiggo - November 23, 2008
Hmm.
Aggies are about as strong physically as they are mentally. Convince them that the game was rescheduled to Saturday and when they don’t show up Thursday night we win by forfeit.
seth78 - November 23, 2008
lol...wtf?
afhook08 - November 23, 2008
man up soft belly
we need style points, there’s gotta be lots of blood
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
Did you join SBN just to talk shit to TT?
Because your history says you started at the red raider blog and then came over here.
My prediction is you don’t last too long around
Wells - November 23, 2008
He'll get tired of talking shit to us.
He’s a Longhorn fan, he’s your problem.
Skin Patrol - November 23, 2008
why u
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
Like antiswarm is yours
Funny he isn’t around.
TheElusiveShadow - November 24, 2008
Which happens first?
He is banned from SBN or the public library stops letting him use the computer?
learned hand - November 23, 2008
answer to your question
yes
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
hahaha what a horrible thing to say
MJY6087 - November 23, 2008
lobbying will NOT help
The fact is, when you lose late in the season like us, you get screwed, end of story
MJY6087 - November 23, 2008
Introducing your 2007 BCS Champion LSU Tigers
Hopkins Horn - November 23, 2008
but west virginia lost by 4 pts late in the season to pitt and they got screwed…we dont have a BIG 12 CG to boost our standings
MJY6087 - November 23, 2008
WVU also lost on the last game of their season to a 2-9 team. At home.
Didn’t LSU lose their second to last game?
bamfor - November 23, 2008
Point is...
LSU lost much later in the season than we did and did not get screwed.
I also could have added ’01 Nebraska and, just prior to the BCS era, ’96 Florida to the list of teams that survived late season losses and still played for championships.
There are things to worry about. Imagining that we’ll get screwed because of a loss on November 1 ain’t one of them.
Hopkins Horn - November 23, 2008
And welcome to the 2003 championship game, fresh off a loss -- Oklahoma!
Hopkins Horn - November 23, 2008
We need to see a lot of this floating around...
burntOC - November 23, 2008
God I hope OU isn't on the cover this week.
the1austin - November 23, 2008
Jinx 'em
drycreek - November 23, 2008
Mack Brown talkin' BCS
during 2nd quarter of the UCONN/SF game.
Forty - November 23, 2008
true dat...
we need to destroy atm….I think has been answered, but if osu beats ou and then tech goes to b12 champ game, even they win, then texas could still likely end up #2 in bcs and go to champ game? is that right or ?? Otherwise, we need ou-osu to play close, but ou wins and tech wins and we all pray for what happened tonight with the bcs polls because of the 3way tie. I really dont see baylor beating tech, but if that happens, then problem solved right? sorry for the ramble, just amped on caffeine right now…
RICHUT96 - November 23, 2008
When I see a Faggie Driving Around in Austin
I want to smash His stupid fucking face off the road, the gaul of those Faggies wearing their stickers around in Austin.
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
Your post pisses intensity
bamfor - November 23, 2008
Countdown to banishment... 5,4,3,2.....
the1austin - November 23, 2008
He just joined yesterday..
I think that may the quickest banishment ever.
Hookem4life84 - November 23, 2008
i'm banished from TT DoubleTnation
because they can’t handle longhorns or men over there. they’re into pirates (ass pirates) and feeling bad for themselves for getting completely domnated and humiliated last night on tv
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
That's probably why.
Skin Patrol - November 23, 2008
Dang, dude, you really have that homophobia thing going, don’t you? Compensate for latent tendencies much?
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
You've got to be kidding. Get this shit out of here.
ctex80 - November 23, 2008
That would also be
the “gall”.
However, the “Gauls:” (as known in pre-Caesarian conquest) would, undoubtedly, eat your liver and toss your fetid corpse into the Rhine, Rhone, Sienne, Loire, etc.
Stuck in the Plains - November 23, 2008
thanks for the history and spelling lesson
u homo
LonghornsPwn - November 23, 2008
Yikes.
the1austin - November 24, 2008
Okay...
I like welcoming Horns fans here and I don’t mind a variety of opinions, but this is garbage. PB, get rid of this guy.
TheElusiveShadow - November 24, 2008
mack
just spoke on the phone with the commentators of the USF-UCONN game. didn’t do a whole lot of campaigning, just gave his take on the season so far, and pointed out that the reason OU demolished Tech is that Tech is notorious for being great at home, and awful on the road.
longhornscardinals - November 23, 2008
URGENT-- I NEED TO KNOW NOW
what time is it? wherever you are.
burntorangenance - November 23, 2008
8:34 pm Central
TEXAS_FIGHT07 - November 23, 2008
7:32 Mountain
bamfor - November 23, 2008
8pm Mountain and OU STILL SUCKS
seth78 - November 23, 2008
9:34 EST...
and OU still sucks.
is that what you were looking for?
longhornscardinals - November 23, 2008
yeah, yeah it was
burntorangenance - November 23, 2008
I have 8:42 CST, but OU still sucks
LonghornedTwin - November 23, 2008
incorrect
8:55 central, and OU STILL SUCKS!
junglerules - November 23, 2008
It's 8:55 PM here in..
Yukon, OK and ou still suck hard….the wind from the south does not lie. Distinctive suck from norman on Texas. How else do you explain the south wind here?
Bevoboy94 - November 23, 2008
As I grew up hearing, it's the only reason Texas doesn't fall into the gulf.
ctex80 - November 23, 2008
the chatter...
that i’m hearing on TV over the past 24 hours and on various internet discussion forums indicates that people DO remember Texas’ victory over OU in Dallas and are a bit confused by the human polls today. I think that if we convincingly win against Aggie and OU does not blow out OSU, then we will edge out OU as the voters come to their senses.
But this thing is razor-close. And nothing will truly be settled until someone plays Mizzou at Arrowhead. Even if we are not in the Big 12 Championship Game, our hopes will remain very alive for a national championship.
I’ll also be interested to see the Rocky Mountain News poll for the Heisman this week. I want that award for Colt badly and would be sickened if Bradford gets the nod. I also heard tonight that Colt McCoy and the Rice quarterback are the only two in the country to throw for 3,000 yards and run for 500 this season. Throw in the record-breaking completion percentage and I don’t see how he doesn’t win the Heisman.
I’ve been doing a lot of wishful thinking today.
brownf - November 23, 2008
SOS...
and does anyone know where I can find up to date information on Strength-of-Schedule rankings or a further breakdown of the computer polls? Thanks.
brownf - November 23, 2008
Texas - Texas A & M Game
As an Aggie (spelled correctly), I congratulate you Longhorns on another great season. The hiring of Mike Sherman has proven, once again, that Bill Byrne (the Athletic Director otherwise known as “Dollar Bill”) doesn’t not squat about running an athletic program, especially one run under the laughable slogan “Building Champions”. I am one of the Einstein’s who saw the fall
-to the Big 12 South basement-of Aggie football with the hiring of Dennis Franchione. In response, I gave up my Aggie football tickets after having them for over 30 years. Having said that, you guys need to be careful about predicting a massive blowout on Thursday. We suck . . . no doubt. But the ‘Horns should have won the last two years, and they found a way to screw it up. If they do it again (or if the game is close), no one will be able to stifle the laughter nationwide. OU will beat OSU this weekend. That will probably give the Sooners the edge over the Longhorns in the BCS standings. Honestly, I don’t think Florida or UT could beat OU right now. As much as you guys hate them, they are looking very strong and peaking at the right time under Stoops. USC is an afterthought. Heck, they probably won’t even win their conference. Florida still has Florida State (do I smell an upset?) and then Alabama (which they should thump?). I don’t see a national championship for the ‘Horns this season, but it’s still a great one. Congrats again.Turncoat - November 23, 2008
Thanks. Point well taken wrt Thursday. People are projecting way too much.
WRT OU peaking; they were #1 and rolling downhill like an avalanche when we beat them in Dallas. I see little difference, except they’re really wanting to roll up the points even more.
whills - November 23, 2008
Not necessarily projecting a win too much...
…but, just like last week, when the options were many with an OU win and few with a Tech win, our options up for discussion with an A&M win this week look like this:
Hopkins Horn - November 24, 2008
I agree.
There is no underestimating the rivalry game. No matter how lopsided a UT win on Thursday I think OU beating OSU puts them ahead in the BCS and in the Big 12 championship. Our only bleak hope is that Baylor pulls an upset. After last night’s game its hard to believe anyone can beat OU right now but I am anxious to see Texas back in action after a bye week. Hook Em.
mtntrance - November 23, 2008
i dont know that anyone is predicting a huge blow out, i know everyone is hoping for a blowout, and everyone expects to win.
Displaced Longhorn - November 23, 2008
Turncoat, I wasn't calling anyone a traitor.
I was replying to a nice post that I respected, just forgot to use reply button. sorry everyone. Sorry whills.
gy2020 - November 23, 2008
Just google SOS college football ratings.
One poll shows TExas #1 in SOS and another has Georgia #1 and Texas#6, but Texas is the school with the best record with the best rating.
gy2020 - November 23, 2008
SOS
Every computer ranking will have their own way of calculating SOS. There is not one official SOS.
Here’s Sagarin’s list
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt08.htm
Texas SOS is #5 (5th toughest in the country) and by far the toughest schedule of any of the top 10 teams.
OU SOS is #26
drycreek - November 23, 2008
Nice post turncoat.
gy2020 - November 23, 2008
Now if we can get everyone to find the reply button, conversations would be more logical.
Not to pick on you specifically; it’s a common error and virtually everyone makes it.
whills - November 23, 2008
...and I thought my meds were wearing off
thanks whills – keeping track of this stream of consciousness in replies is sometimes hopeless. It just makes me drink more and start swearing like Leach at a pirate convention.
HornBorn55 - November 23, 2008
Since it wasn't a reply, I thought gy2020
was calling someone a traitor.
ajax77777 - November 23, 2008
Hey, K-State hired Bill Snyder...
Yes, that Bill Snyder.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3722069
Yikes. Is this like the college version of the Joe Gibbs experiment in Washington?
the1austin - November 23, 2008
Brad Edwards
attempts to argue that should OU lose to OSU, Texas beats A&M, and Tech beats Baylor and Mizzou, that Tech could very well end up in the MNC. Buy this? I think it’s irrevelavant because I don’t think OU will lose, but seriously? He also attempts to get around the head-to-head argument by saying it’s a 3 team race and thus the head-to-head becomes irrevelavant. Assuming all three teams win their final game, isn’t really a two team race, making the head-to-head argument crucial?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/0806
kellen - November 23, 2008
Just saw that.
No way does Tech go from 7-2 with only OU losing. No way.
the1austin - November 23, 2008
I read it
I think it worries me just a bit, and I guess the only “validity” I see in it is that he argues that Tech would be rewarded for winning the Big 12 in that scenario. That scenario also means that OU loses to Okie State (the only way Tech can go to the Big 12 Champ Game), Texas is punished for a head to head loss to Tech, and of course, Florida or Bama will drop down. Think about it- people will NOT put Utah in the title game. Penn State is behind Tech in the BCS as it is right now. And USC might be punished, as well, for not winning their conference. plus, their last two games against UCLA and ND won’t help much in regards to the computers.
I’m not saying I necessarily buy his argument, but regarding the circumstances, it’s not 100% far-fetched, imo. It will certainly be interesting to see how things play out regarding the Bedlam game.
junglerules - November 23, 2008
Root for USC
If no one separated Tech from Texas, then, yes, they could make that leap.
But there are too many teams in the way now, and I don’t think they could (or should) leap USC, assuming USC wins out as well. And since I can’t see USC jumping us, it’s now safe to root for them just as a safety wedge between us and Tech if this unlikely scenario developed.
Hopkins Horn - November 24, 2008
yeah no kidding, they'd have to hop the almighty trojans, utes and nittany lions.
there’s way too much love for Joe Pa Trojans in general and getting destroyed by OU just killed them. no pun intended.
jacobb23 - November 23, 2008
Turncoat
The biggest problem with Penn St. and USC is the fact that they don’t have to play in a conference championship game. Let Penn St. and USC play UT, OU, OSU and Tech in the South. Then they can claim respect in region bounded the South and Southwest. Overall, the Big Ten sucks this year. And the Pac Ten can’t claim that it’s anywhere close to one of the top football conferences !!! No conference championship game . . . no potential loss to the highest ranked team in the conference. The Pac Ten is not even close to a conference championship game (with only ten teams), and the Big (Eleven) Ten doesn’t have the balls to invite another school into the conference for fear that their wussy Presidents will vote to never have a conference championship game because of (alleged) academic reasons. The bottom line is that the Big Ten has also cratered academically in many ways despite the presence of some decent schools. My Ohio State friends admit that the school has sold its soul for football (I may step on some Longhorn toes with that statement) and that the school has suffered mightily as a result. Northwestern, Penn St. and Michigan remain near the top. For the Pac Ten, football sucks in Arizona and Washington (worse than A&M if that is possible). UCLA is a bust, as is Stanford and Cal. USC (otherwise known as the University of Spoiled Children) stubbed its toe (again). The State of Texas still prevails in football. How about all those quarterbacks (and other players) at other schools in other states. UT still gets the cream of the crop in the state, as it should. That’s why you guys are so good . . . and your coaching staff is a lot smarter (and more sober) than those of other schools. Good luck in your bowl game, wherever it is. The Aggies will be in the Toilet Bowl.
Turncoat - November 23, 2008
I want to know who the 4 coaches are that ranked OU first.
the1austin - November 23, 2008
I'm sure Leach is one
Hookem4life84 - November 23, 2008
blow up the aggies by 40
osu keeps it close or wins it and i think we’re in. even if tech wins the big 12 championship we’re in. it going to be either texas and florida or bama or ou and florida/bama. go cowboys and bears and tigers. Hook Em.
jacobb23 - November 23, 2008
Vote for Texas
Vote for Texas on the Sports nation poll on the espn front page. Right now it is tied 50 :50. This may just be a link to the map of the results but I couldn’t find the actual poll anywhere besides the front page.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=64031
Jettb - November 23, 2008
BCS Factors
I’m thinking about a few things on the BCS but I’ve not seen them written to. First, when OU destroyed TTU as completely as they did they successfully lowered TTU so much that the bonus points they get for beating another BCS-ranked opponent are lower than if it had been close and TTU stayed in the top 5. UT has the most points coming from their win over OU since they are ranked highest and generate the most bonus points for beating them. A win for beating #3 gets UT more BCS bonus points than OU gets for beating #7.
Ditto for the Mizzou win getting more BCS bonus points. And Rice could still win their conference and get into that picture before it’s all said and done.
Second thing is that the computers would give UT nothing for beating Mizzou a second time, it counts a big zero towards boosting their BCS rankings, but incurs all the risk that losing to them at their home away from home would pose. Seems to me that UT is really in a great position right where they are for getting into the MNC if they handle aTm like they need to. If OU pulls off South championship but “Big Game Bob” lays a turd in KC then UT is right there, in Miami for all the marbles. At worst they end up in the Fiesta. Now, if UT gets the South they could just win and make it easy, but they could also lay an egg in front of a hostile crowd against a team that knows them now and fall into the Holiday.
My thoughts, whatd’ya think?
RMHorn - November 23, 2008
Are you referring to...
…the “bonus points” teams used to receive as a separate part of the BCS rankings? Those went by the wayside around the time of the whole Nebraska-Colorado-Oregon mess in 2001.
Hopkins Horn - November 24, 2008
Media Pull for Texas
Matthew Zemek makes the case for Texas over at CollegeFootballNews.com (number 4 of the 5 thoughts).
http://cfn.scout.com/2/815076.html
Broccoli662 - November 23, 2008
College is about the road
College football is defined by the inherent risk of playing on the road. Tech’s loss in Norman shows just how hard it is to win in hostile territory. I don’t think Oklahoma is going to play poorly in Stillwater, but I think playing in Stillwater is always tough. I predict a close game, maybe they win, maybe they don’t but they certainly don’t come off of next week’s game shining the way they did after last night’s game. Texas will play tough next week, and come away with a solid win; people will say “Hey, it’s an intense conference. These two teams are obviously the two best, and should be able to duke it out again but they can’t. Edge Texas because of the Dallas victory.”
guerro - November 24, 2008
Shutout again A&M
If the Texas offense gets rolling against A&M, Mack Brown is unlikely to abandon his sportsmanship and keep putting points up—he has earned a lot of respect for this, and I hope human voters take into consideration the ugly way in which Meyer, Stoops, etc. try to create more points from themselves in the computers by pummeling opponents unnecessarily.
That said, we can still impress voters in another way—a solid defensive shutout, by that I mean nothing, a big fat Z-E-R-O. Muschamp should be fired up to put a defensive beating on the A&M offense, one that will earn us respect in human/computer polls without being unsportsmanlike.
boonies - November 24, 2008
Some of us
see sandbagging as unsportsmanlike. I say let the kids play til the final whistle and while I would not be calling timeouts with 30 seconds to go in the game up 50, I would still call the game aggresively.
inVINCEable - November 24, 2008
Running of the score..
It won’t be about the final score it will whether or not Texas can dominate the first 3 quarters. I know it is hard to believe, but you have to remember most voters probably won’t even watch the 4th quarter. The final score could be 45-6, but if the score is 24-6 midway through the 3rd, Texas will be punished by the voters. All I am saying is it’s not about the final score it is about Texas being able to show complete domination early in the game when voters are watching. By the way, for all you who who want to run up the score and for all you who say stay classy, It is possible to do both.. Score 42-50 points in the first 3 quarters and then let Chiles and the second team take over and tack on late TD by simply running the ball.
Hookem4life84 - November 24, 2008
or "Running UP the score"
Sorry too late, need to go to bed.
Hookem4life84 - November 24, 2008
First three quarters
Mack has been all about having a no quit attitude. Putting up as many as possible and that’s more than fine. Then the fourth you run the ball down their throats, maybe Chiles throws a short pass if it’s 3rd and 6 and they’re barely at midfield to get the first down and then run even more. If Chiles or one of our backs breaks for a touchdown then fine but when the other guy hasn’t been able to stop you on third or even fourth down then I don’t see the point in passing in the fourth when you’re up by a few touchdowns.
seth78 - November 24, 2008
Chiles has been sort of a governor for the UT margin of victory this season. Seriously, every time he has come into the game, it seems like the offense stops scoring at anything resembling the pace it had under McCoy. Granted, that’s why Chiles is the backup, but I’m wondering if, considering the coaches and Harris voters who will see nothing but a few highlights and the final score, it might be wise to just go full-throttle without Chiles the entire game in an attempt to put up an obscene score.
I’ll be happy with a win, because a win means Texas is in the BCS (probably Fiesta, but the Orange and Sugar would also be possibilities). Considering I didn’t expect Texas to be in contention for much more than the Holiday Bowl this season, I’ll be very happy with that. But if they have the chance to smack that little asshole Kellen Heard down. I don’t have this big true hatred for the Aggies like some do, and I can’t recall any other occasion on which I’ve wished for a player to be injured, but I would love to see Heard get his knee shattered.
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
Go Pokes!
What am I missing? Seems pretty clear to me that we need to root like hell for OSU. I like this scenario just fine: OSU wins and we put the beat-down on aggie. Tech beats Baylor. Tech goes to the Big 12 Championship and we go to the National Championship. I’ll gladly take that!
HOOK-EM!
96Horn - November 24, 2008
I’ve been thinking about that scenario as well, but haven’t seen it discussed much. Can anyone point to a post that explains what happens if OSU wins and Tech wins the South? One of the analysts at ESPN thinks that Tech would still go to the national championship if they won the South and Big 12 title game—however, I can’t imagine that Tech will get to go to the national championship after the way they lost to OU.
boonies - November 24, 2008
We would look pretty good there
But the only problem would be if pollsters feel dirty about sending a team that didnt win their conference, or even their division, to the MNC over a team that did with the conference, and the division, and beat us head to head.
Im not saying that would be strong enough to knock us from #2, but its a possibility.
BoddickerIsClutch - November 24, 2008
That’s how I see it. Tech wouldn’t jump all the way up. Obviously they’d move ahead of OU following the hypothetical OU loss to OSU, leaving them at #7 at worst. Let’s say they move ahead of Utah as well, since Utah’s not going to get serious consideration. That’s up to #6. Let’s say UF or ‘Bama blows out the other by enough that one of them drops down past Tech, putting Tech at #5. Tech would still have Texas, USC, and the UF-’Bama winner ahead of them, and I don’t think beating Mizzou would be enough to jump two of those and get into the championship. I guess they could jump USC if USC were to not win the Pac-10, which is going to be the case if Oregon State beats Oregon, and some could put Tech ahead of Texas based on the head-to-head victory. I just don’t see all the stars aligning just like that.
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
Look guys, there'll be no National Championship this year for UT
I know we all want it, but we lost to a really bad team, Texas Tech. I mean those guys are horrible and OU showed us how bad they really are. if we couldn’t be them, even in their own house, then we don’t quite deserve to go to the Big Show, but we should be in 3rd place for sure.
LonghornsPwn - November 24, 2008
Man...
I just don’t get your logic. How is 10-1 reflective of a horrible team? Tech beat a top 20 Kansas team on the road, #1 Texas, #9 OSU in consecutive weeks. Yes, they were demolished by OU, but really? Horrible?
Tech92 - November 24, 2008
This guy
must be a sooner. Between the homophobia and the propping up of OU, it is too obvious.
Wells - November 24, 2008
What would fix all of this...
Is for the Battling Baptists to rise up and smite the Red Raiders… problem solved and that is what I am rooting for on Saturday the 29th. Baylor is not a bad team this year and it could happen. Here’s to hoping it does.
HornsFan87 - November 24, 2008
Goofier things have happened
Like us losing to A&M, Stanford beating USC, etc.
But I’m not willing to put a penny on that.
TheElusiveShadow - November 24, 2008
I was already a huge Robert Griffin fan, and it’s time for the guy to make himself legendary.
I may start him on my fantasy team this week. Going all-in, kids.
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
Big 12 Championship Game
Look Guys, I’ve seen some of your talk about how you beat OU 45-35 and that is the trump card, and beleive me I was very depressed that whole weekend, and I wouldn’t mind getting in a debate with you all over the officiating. But remember 2006 when you beat OU and then lost 2? (KSU and T A&M). Then OU went to the Big 12. It’s all about who’s better AT THE END OF THE SEASON.
Using the very same logic Texas Tech should still be ranked higher in every poll since they beat UT.
As far as what’s probably going to happen after this weekend, OU will win against OSU and there’s no way in hell that Baylor will win at Tech. Even if UT crushes T A&M, if OU merely beats OSU, OU will edge out UT in the Polls b/c OSU is ranked 12 in the nation.
OU played one of their worst games of the season against UT, but to end up again goiing to the Big 12 and even the national championship? I’m sure Sooners will never hear the end of it from Longhorns if they go to the national championship and actually win.
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
No it isnt. Its about who had the better total season. OU got in the championship game in 2006 because they had the better season (one conference loss to UT’s two).
That includes the end of the year, but it shouldn’t weigh less or more. If you do, then you are ranking a power poll, not a resume poll, which none of the official polls are supposed to be. Being that they are run by humans, it happens, but it doesnt mean that it should.
BoddickerIsClutch - November 24, 2008
I have to disagree. Teams fluctuate during the season. Florida lost to Ole Miss at home very early in the season, but look like champs now. Usually teams get stronger by the end of the season. Coaches see improvement and vote accordingly in the Coaches’ Poll and others vote in other polls. When you are comparing teams who have a tie in win-loss, then you have to consider strength at the end of the season.
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
Why?
Why do we HAVE to consider strength at the endo of the season? why is that more valid than strength for the whole season? Why is that mor valid than strngth of schedule? Why is that more valid than where the losses and corresponding victories occurred? Why is that more vlid than who has and has not padded thier schedule with a Div II team? is it because that is the ONLY one OU comes out ahead on?
billb - November 24, 2008
Hey man, strength of schedule is part of what coaches look at when they decide TODAY, who they are going to vote for in the rankings. Who is the best team today.
Why is it that undefeated Utah is number 6 in the BCS rather than #2? They haven’t played anyone worth mentioning and would get beat by 1/2 of all Big 12 teams.
As far as who has the easier schedule:
By the end of this season, OU would have played 5 top 25 teams and lost to one (you). By the end of this season Ut would have played 4 top 25 teams and lost to one (TTU).
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
boomer s, this is november, we beat OU in October
Did you guys magically step it up to an NFL caliber team in 1 month?
You know you got pwned on a netural site, and all the whining don’t make a difference.
No man up, quit crying and don’t get so excited about texas tech’s weak sauce.
LonghornsPwn - November 24, 2008
There is more to strength of schedule than the # of top 25 teams played and beaten. Why is Texas ahead in the computers? Strength of schedule.
You never answered my question as to why your method (perceived strength at the end of the season) was more valid than any of those I listed. I can only assume it is beces by your method OU comes out ahead, by every other one, Texas does.
billb - November 24, 2008
billb,
Pretty much look at my post “LET’S LOOK AT REALITY” below. I am only trying to place some sort of explanation on the madness of this ranking game. If there is one thing that most people agree on is that:
1) we need a more complete playoff system.
2) Get rid of BCS guesswork.
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
No way. Playoffs are ridiculous, because all they do is make the regular season less important. Even worse, some people always want to throw more and more wildcards into the mix (see: NFL), and there’s absolutely no reason to give a wildcard a chance at a championship except for $.
Count me as a big opponent of a playoff.
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
So then say Bradford tears his ACL in the fourth quarter against OSU and the Sooners still win.
Should OU then drop in the polls because they are now not as good as they were previously in the year due to losing the starting QB?
Or should they keep their ranking, because its based on the body of work and the season that they put together?
You are confusing power polls with resume polls. And the Harris, AP, Coaches poll etc… are all supposed to be resume polls. Resume is the only way to do it, because its the ranking based on what actually has happened.
BoddickerIsClutch - November 24, 2008
LET'S LOOK AT REALITY
BoddickerlsClutch,
I understand the concept of power polls and resume polls, but we need to look at how the press and coaches vote, because the Coaches’ Poll and Harris Poll are the only two polls that go into the BCS calculations. They vote based on the team’s perceived strength at that time.
To answer your question, if Bradford tore his ACL in the last quarter, I would not drop OU in the polls because my vote (if I were one of the voting Coaches) would be on the performance of the last game as a whole. Resume is not the only way to do it when you have tied teams.
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
Coaches Harris and the computers
All of which are supposed to be resume polls.
The humans fail to be pure resume polls because well, they are voted on by humans who dont do so well on that pure logic thing most of the time.
As to your response to my question, thats exactly right. Its based on what has already happened. TX v OU happened. So did the games in September. You cant arbitrarily base it on the last game, or the last two or three, its the whole season that matters.
BoddickerIsClutch - November 24, 2008
More on Sam Bradford and torn ACL
I wasn’t able to reply earlier today because my connection was bad, but in follow up:
I don’t believe that a Coach would “subtract” from OU when voting in the Coaches’ Poll if Bradford got injured in the last quarter of a game, but I do believe that the lack of Bradford in the following game (and the resulting consequences of a loss or very bad play) would drop OU in the Coaches’ Poll. Then again, you may have some coaches out there who would in fact drop OU because of a last minute injury.
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
Yep, Texas went on to lose two games that season…once Colt McCoy went down with a head injury that knocked him out of the KSU game and made him ineffective in the TAMU game before getting knocked out again.
You’re seriously going to argue that the RRS was one of OU’s worst games of the season? I really think that was the best I’ve seen the WRs play all season, and I think it was one of Gresham’s best games as well.
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
Yeah, the defense in particular. I saw a defense that was not able to defend against the pass and special teams that sucked hardcore. Now OU’s defense is much improved. We were able to guard against the Tech pass very well. It was like our defense was “born again.”
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
Or maybe
You were at home, or maybe Stoops is much more familiar with Tech’s defense. Or maybe Texas is better than OU?
billb - November 24, 2008
At Home OU Win
Stoops is familiar with every Big 12 defense, and being at home adds advantage, but for OU to win with such a huge margin can’t be attributed to home field advantage alone, and Texas can’t complain that the only reason they lost to Tech is that Tech had a home-field advantage.
Your win (at home) against OSU was not impressive either. You only won by 4 points!!!!!!! When OU beats OSU at Stillwater with their TREMENDOUS home field advantage (LOL!) by more than 4 points maybe you will realize why we are the better team at the end of the regular season.
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
Boomer, of course OU wasn’t able to defend against the pass that game. No one has been able to defend against the pass on the field against Texas this entire season. It’s not like this was an anomaly.
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
Tech's Defense
Did you miss the Tech-TX game? I saw some great Tech coverage of your recievers. Their tactic was to focus on providing good pass coverage rather than pressure the quarterback like OK did.
Boomer S - November 24, 2008
I dont know
I remember a lot of open receivers dropping balls
Wells - November 24, 2008
The dropped passes by receivers were the primary method of pass-defense for the Red Raiders. :(
burntorangehorn - November 24, 2008
correct
we beat ourselves. Tech just happened to bet there.
LonghornsPwn - November 25, 2008
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