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Texas Recruiting 2013: Junior Day Invites

[Update]: This list will continue to grow and change over the coming days, so I'm going to go ahead and just update this post whenever a new name emerges. The most recent additions will be in bold. --Wescott

Even though the Longhorns aren't yet finished with 2012 recruiting with Dorial Green-Beckham and Mario Edwards still on board, as well as the decision still looming whether the staff wants to pursue a replacement in the class for the de-committed Thomas Johnson, the quick turnaround after Signing Day for the February 12th Junior Day means that the names are the prospects who will be attending the single biggest recruiting event for the 2013 class are starting to trickle out.

As usual, none of these players have been officially offered yet, but odds are high that nearly every one will receive an offer if they do indeed make it to campus. The question then becomes which of those players will commit during that weekend and if that number is closer to the four commitments secured last year or the 13 secured the year before.

Here's the current list of confirmed invites:

Star-divide

JD1 -- February 12th

  • Tyrone Swoopes, Whitewright QB
  • Keith Ford, Cypress Ranch RB (unlikely to attend)
  • James White, Pearland Dawson RB (may attend either)
  • Dontre Wilson, DeSoto APB
  • Jake Oliver, Dallas Jesuit WR
  • Ra'Shaad Samples, Dallas Skyline WR
  • Durham Smythe, Belton TE
  • Darius James, Harker Heights OL (could visit for JD2)
  • Kent Perkins, Lake Highlands OL
  • A'Shawn Robinson, FW Arlington Heights OL
  • Ishmael Wilson, Dallas Bishop Dunne OL
  • Jake Raulerson, Celina OL/DL (committed)
  • DJ Ward, Lawton (OK) DE (undecided on attending)
  • Justin Manning, Dallas Kimball DT
  • Isaiah Golden, Elysian Fields DT (committed to Texas A&M, unlikely to attend)
  • Vincent Taylor, San Antonio Madison DL
  • Naashon Hughes, Harker Heights OLB/DE
  • Kameron Miles, West Mesquite OLB/S
  • Marcel Harris, Groveland (FL) S (invited but will not attend)
  • Ricky Seals-Jones, Sealy ATH
  • Kyle Hicks, Arlington Martin ATH
JD2 -- February 26th
  • JT Barrett, Wichita Falls Rider QB
  • Kenny Hill, Southlake Carroll QB
  • Eldridge Massington, West Mesquite WR
  • Jeremiah Gaines, Red Oak TE
  • Patrick Morris, Denton Guyer OG
  • Josh Thomas, Shreveport Evangel OL (date switch)
  • Kerrick Higgins, Dallas Skyline DT
  • Christoper Robinson, Shreveport Woodlawn DT
  • Deon Hollins, Fort Bend Marshall DE (date switch)
  • Mike Mitchell, Plano Prestonwood Christian DE/OLB
  • Brett Wade, Kennedale LB
  • Kameron Miles, West Mesquite OLB (date switch)
  • George Baltimore, Mansfield S
  • Maurice Smith, Sugarland Dulles DB
  • Jacorey Warrick, Houston Cy Falls ATH
There should be more confirmations breaking in the coming days and each one of those players is likely to receive an offer. A couple things to keep an eye on -- will Texas bring JT Barrett in and/or offer him? At this point, with the invite out only to Swoopes, it looks like he could be the top target in a strong in-state quarterback class.

Look for an edge player to be brought in as well, with Sharptown's Reggie Chevis looking like a strong candidate and Deon Hollins, although Texas hasn't recruited the Fort Bend area much recently. There's also been talk that Dallas Skyline WR Ra'shaad Samples is the second wide receiver on the Texas board -- seeing him attend one of the Junior Days and receive an offer is probably more likely than not, though there are no current reports of him being extended an invite.

Also, if there's one position where the Longhorns could get off to a strong start, it's along the offensive line. Maulerson has so many offers even if he does end up at Texas, a JD1 commitment doesn't seem like a strong possibility, but securing one or more commitments from the group of James, Perkins and Robinson hardly seems like a stretch at this point.

Any early predictions for JD1 commits?

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Great stuff GoBR

Question.

Do you see Swoopes panning out as a QB, or do you think he will move to another role? Maybe safety or KR/PR?

Swoopes is a college QB.

The VY comparison is kind of lazy and Swoopes probably doesn’t have that level of upside (few players do), but he still has the tools to become a really good college player, he just needs a fairly substantial amount of polish.

so a potential cieling of RG3?

Lol, that might be up and above too, just thought I’d ask.

Not sure I would compare him to RGIII.

I would place the ceiling for Swoopes somewhere around the Terrelle Pryor range, although Swoopes probably doesn’t have the straight-line speed of Pryor, but similarly raw as a passer.

I'll have to go check up on film of Swoopes.

I hadn’t really done my research. Thanks for the Info GoBR.

I've already done the leg work.

And you can reap the rewards here. Not sure I would really even add much since then.

Also

Here are his early junior year highlights.

Holy crap.

you da man…

LOL - watching Swoops against those little 2A kids is laughable

I turned the video off halfway through. No doubt he has size, speed and raw tools, but there is a world of difference between 2A and even 4A (much less 5A).

The jury is out for me on Swoopes, I would rather see Garretts clips.

Garrett = Barrett
Garrett.

FTW.

Highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF5jY8SgETk

Swoopes has better measurables and a higher ceiling, but Barrett’s more polished as a passer right now. If you trust the new staff (ie Harsin) to develop talent, then I think Swoopes is a no brainer take over Barrett.

ZOMG

Yea gimme Barrett.

Barrett seems like the much safer bet in terms of Harsin's offense

Which makes me think the coaches must really be blown away by Swoopes.

can we get both... or can that not happen?
Pretty unlikely IMO

which is worth almost nothing.

The tough part is that it seems like Barrett would jump on an offer, while Swoopes may not be ready to decide so early. So if the coaches really prefer Swoopes, and don’t think he’ll come on if they already have another QB commit, when they really can’t offer Barrett this early. This is kind of like the GG/Shepard situation, but in this instance we prefer the more athletic, less polished passer.

Why worth almost nothing?

You always make good points and this is another one. Getting both will be an arduous task, though I might faint from happiness if it does.

Poor man's Terrelle Pryor

Is exactly what I thought as well. And I don’t say that in a bad way either, and he still has his senior year to improve.

I have infinitely more faith

in our coaches developing a Swoopes type than the ohiostate university did with Pryor. I love that comparison.

Agreed

It was a crime against football for Pryor to waste away playing Tressel-ball

Will add

Pryor does not have anything resembling Swoopes’ short-range juking abilities. Pryor was actually not elusive at all as a runner, but outran or out-powered defenders. Terrelle is certainly faster.

Hey man little off topic

but what do you know about this freshman hooper from the Metroplex, Mickey Mitchell? Heard he played with Julius Randle and the Texas Titans after his 8th grade year. The white LeBron?

Funny you should ask

The first time I saw Mickey’s highlights I was reminded of LeBron as well. He’s an incredible player and it’s ridiculous how he can dominate games as a freshman in high school (when he needs to), even against the highest competition.

But he’s also older than most freshman, so his upside is a tad more limited than expected. I think Chase Budinger is a good comparison. Good height, great feel for the game, great passer, solid shooter, solid handle, very good athlete (Budinger probably has the edge here). Not sure if you know, but he’s brothers with 2013 LB Mike Mitchell, so I think he’d be worth the take alone if it helps us get Mickey.

BFLT was going to try to get up there for a PCA basketball game this season, I think.

marcell harris?

coming in for a jd or not? had seen his name on some lists. also figured that brett wade would be coming in for this

i’ve seen talk around that we’ll probably only take 2 db’s this class since it’ll be smaller than last year. figure there’s a spot reserved for harris, the miles kid sort of came out of nowhere esp wrt baltimore and antwuan davis. what’s your take on the 2013 db’s?

what size do you figure the class to be…19-20 ish? how do you figure it’d break down positionally?

I would think three DBs in this class.

Not sure if Harris is confirmed. I think he wants to make it in, but he can really come in any time during the spring and get his offer. Harris will be tough to get out of Florida, but I could see the staff taking Harris, George Baltimore, and Davis and then closing shop on the DB class. It’s not a strong class in state, especially at cornerback. It’s interesting that there hasn’t been any news about Davis recently. I could see CB as a position that the staff continues to evaluate, though I think Davis is a guy who is a take.

I haven’t sat down to look at the long-term numbers, but I think the class will have to be on the small side because there will be so few seniors on the team next year. I would guess in the 19-20 range.

Here’s just a stab at it:
QB — 1
WR — 2
TE — 2
OL — 3 or 4
DT — 2
DE — 1 or 2
LB — 2 or 3
DB — 3 or 4
ATH — 1 or 2

That’s pretty conservatively between 17 and 21 right there, which will be the likely target. Also obviously a handful of guys that project at multiple positions — RSJ, Raulerson, Christian Morgan, Na’shon Hughes, Chevis, Miles. Even most of the OL guys on the list above go both ways in high school. All that makes the ATH category a bit hard to figure out right now

thanks brah

awesome stuff as always.

just saw the cosm tweet re: another offensive lineman coming in…seems like we’re trying to wrap that up the quickest. i would prefer the maulerson on defense and i hope the staff would too so we’d be able to get guys who are more prototypical in body type for the OL. he’s a stud either way but an ultra high motor guy like that on the d-end is such a plus.

Added Wilson to the list.

Problem with him is that he’s a Louisiana kid (I believe) or at least is a bad LSU fan, so Texas has some ground to make up with him.

Interesting

No running backs in your projections. Hopefully if we land two TEs one of them will eventually contribute.
My guess on first commits are Darius James & Kent Perkins. I don’t think Swoopes ever becomes a Longhorn.

Oops.

Texas will look to add one or two running backs, depending on if the staff decides to go after Daje Johnson in coming days. Would expect Keith Ford to be invited to JD1.

Why do you not think Swoopes will go to UT?
I read here or elswhere

that Harris might prefer an extended visit to a short JD visit, and that he may come in the summer for a longer look.

That would make sense.

Perhaps over his spring break. Since he was just on campus last week and was in Austin last summer as well, there’s no real hurry to get him in again.

Harris

He almost sounds like a lock to commit. Early percentages, what do you think? Maybe 90% to UT

Raulerson

Do you think we recruit him as a DE or an OL? or as a “whatever position you want to play”? Just wondering how that works out with the numbers for the other DE/OL candidates.

Where Raulerson ends up

will be where his body takes him, most likely. If he can put on the weight, he’s an OL all the way. With so few good DE prospects in this class, that makes it easier on the numbers.

weight overrated

This kid is so ferocious, so physical, so athletic in space he could play in the NFL at 265-285. To me he is an OL.

285lbs. on the OL s a thing of the past, even for centers, IMO

I can’t think of any tackles who play anywhere near that, and even centers in that range (Weigmann) are considered undersized at this point.

Prolly Right - Got Carried Away

But in his tape there are several plays where he made 3-4 pancake type hits over a 30 yard area.

Okafor in 2010 an example of what happens at 260 pounds.
I hope he's an OL, we need somone with the "I'm going to rip your head off..." mentallity up front.

…LIke Casey Studdard, or the entire ’05 OLine for that matter. He looks like a beast on film.

I agree

I believe I prefer him at OG as well, despite it being the less important position and of less need than DE. Hoping for a combination of D.J. Ward and Mike Mitchell at DE.

Maulerson

reminds me of JJ Watt. I knoe both white and I am lazy, but both have a motor that just doesnt stop.

If he can be J.J. Watt

I’ll be very pleased, to say the least.

What are the odds by inviting Swoopes 1st. and Barrett 2nd

We get burned by both players? I thought I saw somewhere that Swoopes wants to take his time.

Swoopes will probably take his time.

The difficult factor in this equation is that Barrett could well commit upon being offered, so if Texas really wants Swoopes, the staff may just offer him and then slow-play Barrett, which of course runs the risk of losing Barrett.

I saw somehwere that they thought the Swoopes was a complete lock for UT

Was that just wrong?

He has backed off of naming leaders

but earlier in the process it seemed like a UT/TCU race. Swoopes did wear a Texas hoodie to a state final game. Don’t think he’s a lock though.

As much as I want Swoopes to be the guy there is a feeling that we continue to miss on our QB evals where Barrett seems like a pretty safe pick right now. If Swoopes is Hardin approved he is worth the shot regardless.

Garrett Gilbert also seemed like the safe, lock pick.

Did not pan out for variety of reasons. This is Harsin’s pick. Either we ride with that or we have bigger issues to deal with.

Garrett Gilbert was the 2nd ranked QB recruit in the nation

EVERYONE would have taken him. Calling his recruitment safe is disingenuous.

To say everyone would have taken him

is disingenuous. He was at the time assumed to be a safe, lock commit. That isn’t taking anything away from GG.

Are you naive?

Hindsight is 20/20, the kid was the total package and won every state championship he had ever played in. Fine, USC got Barkley.

Pot meet kettle.

You are making the hindsight observations here, buddy. I’m simply pointing out to you that it was an disingenous comment. GG was seen as a very solid commitment. Our QB for years to come. That’s not disingenous.

Sounds like somebody got their hopes up a bit to high on GG.

I do not understand

the argument here. Seems like you are saying the same thing.

“…Safe, Lock pick..” seems to mean "everyone thought he had a very good chance to be good.

“everyone would have taken him” seems to mean the same thing.

And I think you are both right.

When I hear “safe”, I think of it in terms of asking a girl out to prom. You can ask the girl you’ve been friends with for 7 years or you can ask out the smoking hot chick. I don’t think we went for the guy just because he was the hometown kid who was going to say yes. He was definitely the smoking hot chick so-to-speak.
40A said

To say everyone would have taken him is disingenuous.

I don’t think we are saying the same thing at all. He’s saying my statement of everyone wanting him is disingenuous, which is clearly incorrect. Unless, the 2nd rated QB by Rivals means he’s only getting offers from regional schools. I’m pretty sure he had offers from most PAC, BigXII and SEC schools. I’m just not sure how you can say otherwise.

He only had a few recruiters...

Everyone knew he was coming to Texas, only Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Nebraska, A&M, and Tech even tried, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t any good…

He was a spread QB from a spread system, Ohio St, Bama, Penn St, ect knew they had no shot (not sure why Nebraska thought they did either…)

I think he's really just exhibit A in the case that recruiting is far from an exact science

And that exhibit is also good for a case for how even a top recruit is just potential until he develops.

I think June Jones is going to get him in the NFL
rBr I kind of agree with you.

This may be an unpopular opinion here, but in my humble, I think Gilbert was clearly the best QB option we had last year. I feel really bad for that kid.

Can't read defenses...

He has the tools but doesn’t know how to use them, I highly doubt he ever starts a game in the NFL unless he has some huge epiphany

Completely agree.

When he went down, I knew we had no shot at a BCS bowl.

This begs the question
When he went down, I knew we had no shot at a BCS bowl.

How many posters here are able to lay down their bias and truthfully evaluate Ash as a potential BCS QB? Don’t bore me with the if’s and but’s, instead consider the surrounding talent he will have – can we do it with him?

Absolutely!

He’s got everything ‘potentially’ he needs to be successful – he just needs more reps, experience, and refinery. If Tee Martin & Trent Dilfer won a title, anything can happen. & it’s not necessarily about who’s around him (the ‘Horns will have plenty of talent), it’s more about his ability to execute. If he limits his play to what he can do – and he does that to perfection – then UT can beat every team they play in a season.

LSU won the national championship (not BCS championship) with Lee/Jefferson

And averaging less than 20 passing attempts per game. Last year, UConn made the BCS with Zach Frazer (albeit in one of the Big East’s weakest years), and Virginia Tech made it with Tyrod Taylor. Two years ago, Iowa made it with then-junior Stanzi, who I guess wasn’t bad, but whose ceiling for impact might approximate Ash’s (not saying they’re that similar, as Ash is smaller, much more mobile, less accurate, and hasn’t shown that kind of decision-making ability). Cincinnati made it with Tony Pike, although Pike was playing in Brian Kelly’s offense, which helped a lot.

Anyway, I don’t think either Ash or McCoy would necessarily be a complete derailer of BCS chances. I’m not saying I think either of them could be good enough to actually carry the team to the BCS, let alone the BCS championship game, but either could be plugged into a good situation and drive the bus to Glendale. So much of this depends on whether the wideouts show up, the line shapes up, and the playcalling improves on offense.

Entirely possible

Talent that gets some corrective coaching can certainly right itself. Alex Smith is doing wonders under Harbaugh.

I tend to agree with you

McElroy sure did it at Alabama and I think Ash will as well.

As bad as Garrett played last season ...

… he will always go down as the best QB in the 2010 Rose Bowl. McElroy was pedestrian and, marginally, awful. I don’t know if it was due more to Texas’ defense or simply to his limited ability being, well, limited. He was the ultimate definition of a “game manager” in that game. Saban did everything he could to win the game every other way – and it worked.

saban

was terrible in that game. Some how managed to turn it into a one score game in the 4q. It did not work. He turned what most would consider a sure win (when colt went down) and made it interesting.

I could see how it could be that way too.

Myself, I’ll chalk it up to the Texas defense keepin’ it close but McElroy wasn’t going to beat them anyway.

Don't know if you remember this . . .

but we learned later that McElroy was injured and Saban, indeed, was trying to hide him to keep his exposure to re-injury at a minimum against Texas’ defense. Injury was to the ribs, occurred in the SEC title game win over the Gators. Here

I vaguely remember that now. Thanks.

I think it just makes me that much more bitter about Colt going down. The ’Horns shoulda won that day.

Texas Hoodie = Burnt Orange Woodie
Skyline recruits

Shoulodn’t we start being a little suspicious of kids from this school?

Depends on what you think the problem is.
Skyline is like a mixture of the Johnny Be Good movie and SMU in the 80's
Do you know something the rest of us don't?
Pure speculation. Shit just doesn't add up
I see.

sort of “where there is smoke, there is fire” kind of thing.

Besides concerns about how those players develop

the only real issue is whether or not those kids are hanging around Baron Flenory. Texas asked Peter Jinkens about that last year and he apparently told the staff that he either cut ties with Flenory or hadn’t been hanging around him. There was some talk around that time that Flenory was PNG around a lot of those schools.

If Flenory is the concern and it’s true that he’s not welcome around by the coaching staff, it’s hard to believe that the coach’s son would be involved with him. Again, if Flenory is the issue, it makes much more sense to try to deal with Flenory through the NCAA rather than abandon a high school that produces as much talent as any school in the state.

samples is the HC's son

would think there would be less chance of a mike davis sort of sulk or a t. johnson style of jerkin us around w/ him. last week when i was still acting like a 10 year old re: johnson, i would’ve been all over saying screw them again…now…ehhhhhhh

Still Hoping For MD Turnaround

This kid can be good. He hit his first tough patch as an athlete. All world in HS, started as frosh, rave reviews and leads in catches and then the offense just didn’t develop. He is definitely at a crossroads – but I am still hopeful that he will re-dedicate himself and work his tail off to be successful at UT

Samples has...

…Two sisters at A&M. He stayed over night when he visited last weekend. Sumlin has hinted that he’ll have another commit in the 2013 class in the next two weeks and many presume its him or Laquivonte Gonzalez out of Cedar Hill

To your question at the top

JD-1 commits . . . 6-7. Most of the players coming in that weekend will be national Top 100, Top 150 types — and several surely will keep their options open for at least a few weeks.

Two other factors working against early commitments: (1) The staff won’t know how much attrition may happen between February 2012 and August 2013 — which is the time frame under consideration; (2) This staff is not inclined to reach 18-20 commitments by April, and essentially shut down recruiting at that point. These assistant coaches are confident they can get quality even if they wait, and they’ve learned that spots need to be available for late bloomers, as well as those undecideds who put off making decisions.

Agree on that number

and I think that might even be on the optimistic side. I expect Texas to eventually land the great majority of the JD1 kids they offer, as usual, but especially if there aren’t any DLT/Chet Moss types in the group, there probably won’t be a ton who commit that weekend.

Is Raulerson really a big Texas lean?

And would he be considered in the same breath as Edwards – as far as instant impact?

Raulerson definitely likes Texas.

There was the picture of him wearing a bunch of Texas gear on Christmas. Wouldn’t call him an instant-impact guy like Edwards because Edwards is more easily projectable in college.

So he is likely offered on Jr. day?

He would have been a sophomore day offer if that existed. His offer is gift wrapped and still sitting under Mack’s tree.

He's probably already been told

that he will have an offer whenever he makes it in to meet with Mack Brown. Everything but official.

I thought he was going to be our first offer/commit

Wasn’t that a real picture of him in Texas gear at Christmas time?

Yeah

but its hard to call someone like that a lock because of all his offers.

He could get the coveted Bell Cow offer

And help put the rest of the class together. In fact, I have a feeling that has already been discussed with him.

lets just hope they dont pull a nathan hughes again...

…and not offer one of the lot of all invitees at JD1

Dang!

It would be great if we didn’t have schollie limits man!

Swoopes would balance out Brewer.

FBISD
Look for an edge player to be brought in as well, with Sharptown’s Reggie Chevis looking like a strong candidate and Deon Hollins, although Texas hasn’t recruited the Fort Bend area much recently.

Giving some love to my neck of the woods…

Sheroid Evans is from my alma mater, Dulles High.

Also, Chris Ogbonnaya and Steve Hogan, both Strake Jesuit grads from earlier in the ’00s, are Sugar Land kids.

But yeah, traditionally Texas has shied away.

Dulles had a Michigan pipeline for a while (Daryl Stonum is the most well-known), Elkins had the Matthews bunch, and Texas has generally avoided the lower income schools like Hightower for whatever reason (think Bralon Addison).

Before I moved to Atlanta when I was 10..

I would have gone to Dulles High. That’s cool you live down there near Mo City…i was just there last night.

Hah

I moved to Atlanta from Austin when I was 11

Bralon Addison

Could step in for Davis or Johnson, today, and be an upgrade. At least in my opinon.

I'd love to have Addison

but if I were him I’d be looking forward to Sumlin’s offense. I’d also question how many passes I would catch in UT’s offense.

Sumlins offense was actually Briles offense

And it was predicated on Keenam being the QB. I’m not sure how successful Sumlin can be without a 26 year old QB.

Was it Briles

or did he incorporate OU’s into it? Either way Keenan was a very good QB. The year he was out UH sucked. It’ll be interesting to see how Aggie QB’s develop under Sumlin against SEC defenses. Hell I might start chanting SEC! when the aggies get their asses handed to them

Sumlin didn't just ride Briles' coattails

He had his own success. Look up his history, especially as co-OC and WR’s coach at OU. He’s no slouch, and he didn’t learn his offense from Briles, as the two didn’t even coach together at Houston. In fact, I think only Phillips was a holdover on that side of the ball, unless the RB’s coach was as well. Also, Kingsbury was the playcaller over the more experienced Phillips, and he did learn under Mike Leach as a player and then Holgorsen and Sumlin as a coach. I’d say between Sumlin and Kingsbury, there’s not a whole lot of Briles there. The main connection is that Briles was RB’s coach for Leach at Tech while KK was there, and of course Leach’s philosphies were the groundwork for the offenses later led by Mangino, Long, Sumlin, etc. Sumlin picked up his expertise under Joe Tiller at Purdue and Stoops/Wilson at OU. He’s not running a Briles offense.

Well, that is true

Briles left in 2007 and Sumlin entered in 2008 – his freshman QB was a kid named Case Keenum, recruited by Briles for the spread, and utilized, in the spread, by Sumlin.
Sumlins worst year was when Keenum was injured as well as the back up QB (sound familiar?) and UofH went 5 – 7 (also, sound familiar?).

all the "leach guys"

are interconnected. they all do different things w/ it…stoops/wilson spread is just as much leach’s spread as it is theirs…as is mangino’s or holgo’s or sumlin’s or briles’ or any guys off of their respective trees. there’s a zillion ways to try and dissect them all: holgo seems more run friendly than any of them, they all seem to be excellent at developing qb’s for their system, briles likes to stash ath’s and develop them at wr, and on and on. it’s a pretty cool coaching tree.

pardon me..

mumme guys. don’t mean to diss hal

It definitely is cool

Mumme really fizzled out, but the guy sure did make a lasting impact on FBS offenses.

Would love Addison

But we didn’t show him enough love early on and I don’t think he likes us.

Love your avatar

Second the avatar love.
Third, although the first few posts I thought it was Beergut
LOL - Speaking of Beergut

The Kyle Field score has made him conspicuously quite lately.

GoBR

Has Taylor’s stock risen again? I thought that the latest comments I had read mentioned a low work ethic and taking plays off (though these weren’t real recent comments)…

Haven't seen that

although I don’t think Taylor has really made the jump that a lot of people expected after that performance against Steele as a sophomore. I would say the bigger concern right now is about where he ends up since he’s still at around 260 pounds. He may end up being a 3-4 DE/swing guy rather than a pure DT.

You may be remembering my comments on him from the 2010 season

FWIW I did not see him play in 2011 so my observations of him are extremely stale.

With everything I've read about Texas' numbers for available schollies next year

I would like to see Mack flip the game upside down. Just like he did in the late 90’s when he first got here. He started all of the early offers and now its gotten out of hand. Don’t offer any scholarships till next October at the earliest. Tell every recruit we’ve only got 18-20 ships and we want to see who’s putting in work over the summer and who has raised their game come next fall. I think it could work, if only because how strong our 2010, 2011, and 2012 classes are.

Some will wait and some will commit elsewhere. But like we have seen this winter, commitments are essentially meaningless and we have a very talented staff and facilities to offer late and have one of the top 5 classes again in Feb 2013. Come on Mack. Flip the game upside down!!!

People like what they can't have

And, we do have a huge class and lots of young guys. I think schollies may be tight and should be very carefully handed out.

If we were truly tight (12-15) scholarships,

I’d agree with you. We won’t be.

Jesus’ Big Cigar (Inside Texas) strongly hinted at additional attrition this spring. By a year from now, I expect attrition among players with eligibility for 2013 to be around 10 — which will let us sign around 20 or 21 players in February of 2013.

There will be 2-3 who move onto the “injured list” which keeps them on scholarship but removes them from the 85-limit. We’re going to have (I fear) a couple of early exits to the NFL (Byndom, Jeffcoat come to mind). There will be a half-dozen or so who realize they’ll be career squadmen and opt to transfer or give up the game. Finally, there will be players with a fifth year of eligibility who aren’t offered that opportunity by the coaches (examples: Johnson, Buchanan on the 2011 team).

NFL departures.

I thought Jeffcoat and Byndom couldn’t leave as sophmores, but I could be wrong. It would be interesting to consider who departs early from this year. Honestly, as unfortunate as it has been to play so many youngsters the last year or two, I think we reap the benefit next year (or two) as very few of our experienced players are draft-eligible.

Besides Vaccaro who is a threat to depart regardless of what he says on Twitter, I don’t know too many other juniors/RS sophmores who would leave early. Can you think of any?

Nevermind I see that you were talking about 2013 and 2012.
Are we getting any help with A'Shawn Robinson from Blake Brockermeyer?
Possible

as he is a guy that Typsy Gypsy thinks will be a jD1 commit.

Recruitocosm reporting

that Jake Raulerson will come in a week early, which could increase likelihood of early commitment.

DGB - is anyone worried he might go to Arky just to be near his girl friend?

She has the closer when it comes to recruiting and she is going to a small Arky college to play basketball. Collins chose bammy for this reason – even if it defied mommy!

What's the odds on successful highschool-to-college relationships?

Not very high. Hopefully he’s getting that advice.

True

But a high school boy that is in lust love, doesn’t care about the odds.

Very true,

which is why I hope he’s getting real, sound advice from the parentals.

I think Texas can reasonably start with Raulerson, Perkins and James

James might have to come to the second Junior Day, but I think he’ll pull the trigger early.

My surprise commitment is Tyrone Swoopes. If Texas doesn’t invite Barrett, it could be another sign that the coaches expect Swoopes to pick Texas early.

Don't have too much fun Jake!

JakeRaulerson55 Jake Raulerson
Headed out to Cali!! ✈✈✈ pumped for this trip! #stanford #Cardinal

I think its awesome

That DJ Ward is actually going to JR Day but will have to be admitted to the hospital for a heart attack if he signs with Texas. Kids in Lawton if offered by OU go to the Sooners. All 3 high schools are a pipeline. It sucks to say it for sure. So ready to go back to Texas!

As far as I'm concerned (as an OK resident)

all Lawton kids except DJ Ward can GO to OU for all I care. They offer nothing as far as football goes.

shows how dumb

You are.

LOL I've been watching high school football in this state for about 15+ years.

Not very long, but still. Please name one star player during that time that went to OU? Two 3 stars last year went to Oregon State. A couple years before that, Marcus Kennard was solid and is doing well at KSU.

Do you have anything? Lawton is not, and has not been a good high school football program.

Dominique Whaley and Javon Harris are ok.

Jamaal Brown wasn’t bad.

Dom

wasn’t even recruited out of Lawton, so nice try. He went to Langston. Didn’t do a thing in high school, but he’s turned out to be a nice little player for ya’ll.

Harris and Brown were both OK, but please, let’s not act like Lawton is a hotbed.

By the way,

my original point wasn’t to berate Lawton, it was to point out this myth that OU gets every player it wants from Lawton and that Texas doesn’t stand a chance (DJ Ward). Out of the 4 players mentioned, OU took what, two? Whaley doesn’t count because he walked on and Will Shields went to Nebraska.

oh I can name more than that

The only high school national championship is from Lawton (Lawton Eisenhower). Pretty sure a bad ass man named Will Shields came from Lawton. You might have watched for 15 yrs but I coached and played in this hell hole of a town. If you wanna really know the talent that’s come out of this area ask ill tell you. If you tell me your from Henley or Union I will def tell you bout yourself.

That's one player.

And Will Shields was a few years before I started watching high school football, and he was a hell of a player, but Lawton does not put out premier high school talent.

GoBR or Bill (or anyone else in the know)

When are these kids expected to RSVP? (or accept/decline, whatever the process) In other words, when will we find out who is coming, and who is not?

Also, only 1 DB possibility and he is an out-of-state kid. Is there a reason for this? Message/Red Carpet to Marcel, he is our top priority there? No super talent in-state?

Also, concerned about the DE posistion. Hughes is a tweener and DJ is from Lawton, OK (don’t get me wrong, we have been absolute money recruiting Oklahoma the last few years, but Lawton?)

DE is a HUGE need for us in this class, with very little depth in the 2010 and 2011 classes. Thoughts on that?

No time line...

Some confirm that week others have probably are already planning the trip, I think last year we had a kid confirm two days before and another canceled the day before citing lack of a ride…

We mostly confirm these things through these kids facebook and twitter accounts…

FL's Harris is THE #1 DBU priority

His film is sick, I think you’ll see more DB’s at JD2 but Akina has been taking his time evaluating recruits the last couple of years before making offers (Diggs, Colbert, ect).

There is some talent in state but not like Harris…most assume that Antwuan Davis of Bastrop and George Baltimore of Mansfield will get JD2 invites. Personally I really like Livingston’s Chevoski Collins but I haven’t heard much about him in the UT community.

Ridgeway looks legit...

and Reed should step up this year and they will hold down the line after Okafor and Jeffcoat go pro but after that we are very thin (assuming we don’t get MEJ) so I expect Manny to allow some of the faster DT’s (like Whaley) to play off the end (like he was telling MEJ) to offset this. It is slightly concerning that Builett may not stay at DE and I don’t know what to think about Reggie Wilson, however we could make out alright.

The 2013 class has a big dog DE in Deon Hollins from Missouri City (TX), and aside from DJ Ward there are few that could end up at DE including Celina’s Jake Raulerson and San Antonio Madison’s Vincent Taylor.

I think we’ll take 2 DE’s in the 2013 class I’m just not sure who will end up where, but I think Hollins should be priority #1 at DE but he doesn’t yet hold a JD invite…

But Manny’s system is setup with a lot of blitzes from CBs, SSs, and LB to do most of the pass rushing (remember Hicks and Vaccaro in the Holiday Bowl) so there is a strong possibility that some of the lesser ranked DEs may not cut it in our system and we’ll just have some faster DT’s (doesn’t matter how big) hold down the ends. But yes it is an area of future concern but we’ll have to wait until next spring to see what they do to fix it…

I think both Reed and Ridgeway are SDE's

WDE seems to be the pressing need right now IMO. Hopefully we can flip Cottrell.

Interesting QB invite in Kenny Hill.

Depth maybe? Roster filling?

Could be

just to put some pressure on Swoopes or Barrett or both to let them know that there are a lot of options in this class. I don’t see Texas taking more than one quarterback, so I don’t see Hill as a potential depth take.

Interesting.

Do we need to put any pressure on Barrett? Why not invite Kenny Hill during Swoopes’ JD visit? Not that we want to push Swoopes away, but if we want an early commitment from him or for him to know we are evaluating other players, why not invite him for when Swoopes is there?

Probably a sign

from the coaches to Swoopes that he is their guy. It’s a delicate balancing act, but right now I would interpret the message as being that Swoopes is the top guy in the board, but there are so many other options out there that the staff can’t afford to wait forever on him and risk losing out on the other guys.

The good news is that there is plenty of recent evidence — and the weekend should provide more — that a lot of kids are willing to flip late even if there wasn’t a lot of contact early. The Junior Day invitations as a sign of sincere interest could help the Longhorns even if offers aren’t extended and Texas needs to circle back on any of them.

When Vince was the national jewel of his recruiting class ...

… when did he actually commit to the ’Horns? Seems like I remember there not being much fanfare about it (or a stupid hat show) so he (& Reggie McNeal) must have committed early on. Maybe Swoopes will save us all the drama?

I think Vince committed really, really late
Vince committed relatively late in the process

And while the commitment/announcement wasn’t a circus, there was a ton of fanfare from UT fans. Some of the businesses around Austin and Houston put signs about it on their marques. Krispy Creme donuts gave out free donuts all day.

boh & Hc,

I guess I musta got in late that year on watching the board because the 1st time I looked, he was already commited. Any idea what the actual date was & how did he make the commitment?

I don't remember the commitment exactly

I want to say he just called the coaches or committed in person while on his official visit. It wasn’t a huge surprise because he had given a big hookem at the basketball game during his visit.

The date was 1/13/02.

Really interesting recruitment. At one point both he and his mom specifically eliminated Texas because they were not recruiting him as a QB.

1/13/02. Yeah, was pretty late in the process.

Very glad that Mack finally gave in to Vince getting a shot at QB. Worked out well, huh?

Kenny Hill is interesting...

I’ve seen him as he plays for my old school and while he is dynamic as a runner, I don’t know how good of a passer he can really be. Honestly, he would fit in perfect in a system ala Kansas State…

Thought Hill was impressive as a passer in the championship game.

Showed some good touch and he doesn’t have any glaring mechanical issues that will need to be cleaned up when he gets to college.

The kid from Dawson, James White, surprises me.
Suprised as well.

I would be shocked to see him offered.

2013

Who is. The best running back in this class. I’ve heard about this guy from ohio.

Keith Ford

The 247 guys love Keith Ford. I don’t really see Texas going out of state. White is a solid take if Ford doesn’t like the depth chart situation.

wow. really?

He didn’t seem to have the top speed I have heard about. He looks like a specimen tho in photos.

So what is the ceiling for Ships in this 2013 class 16-18

less, more?

Could be as low as 12 if we land DGB, Daje, Santo and Cottrell
hate to do it

but we have to assume that there will be some attrition. mid to high teens is more likely.

If that's the case, that blows

I guess we’ll have to go after the very elite, even if that means trying to get 2-3 OOS kids

everything i've read

says after attrition it’ll be in the 18-21 range

Damn..

That is a lot of guys who will be packing their bags..

There could be as many as 4 early grads (redshirt Juniors)...

and another 4 depth clearing candidates OL/DB/LB, and Will Russ…

Who are the 4 potential early grads?

I see Carrington Byndom probably going early and possibly Jackson Jeffcoat and Jordan Hicks, if they have good, healthy (knock on wood) seasons. I don’t really see Ashton Dorsey or Chris Whaley though. Who else are you talking about? Mike Davis?

Mike Davis

Haha I don’t think he will go early unless the nfl decides to look for the best guys at dropping passes. Or if he has a really, really good season.

Well that was kind of my point.

I don’t see that as a possibility. Rereading TowerPower’s post though, he specifically said OL/DB/LB, so I think the 4th potential early grad he was referring to would be Mason Walters.

Here are the numbers as I see them

Current Jrs. (10)

Goodwin
Grant
Hales
Hills
Matthews
Monroe
Okafor
Poehlman
Roberson
Vacarro

IMO, Grant will almost surely get another year if he is healthy and wants to play. That makes 9 players who will run out of eligibility next year.

Legitimate early draft defections: (3)

Byndum
Hicks
Jeffcoat

IMO, I don’t think we lose more than one of these guys. None of them have redshirted and we could be looking very good in 2013. Either way, that gets us to a range of 9-12.

Looking at the roster I really only see 4-5 players I think might consider a transfer. Given the attrition we’ve already seen the last 1.5 years, anything more than that seems unlikely IMO. Of course there are always health and academic casualties.

So, assuming we sign all of the way up to 85 this year (which seems reasonable based on late push), and that the current known possible academic and health casualties are already factored in this 85……the class size could be as small as 9 or as large as 17.

I would assume any of DGB, Daje, Santos or Cottrell that don’t sign with us would push that number up.

WHERE IS CHRISTIAN MORGAN

/the sky is falling!! seriously though, why the snub?

The coaches appear to like Durham Smythe better than Morgan

I really like Morgan, but Smythe’ film is better.

My gut feeling is that Texas takes 3 WRs plus RSJ

Oliver, Samples and Massington are the leading candidates.

I hope Massington and Miles both receive Texas offers at JD2.

any insight

into the wylie east wr duo, bill? both those guys seem pretty good.

Massington and Miles

Massington is a big WR, already 6’3’’ + and over 200 pounds. He runs well, a 4.5 guy. Also runs track at a high level. Plays in a tough district. I think of Oliver as more a possession, go to receiver while Massington is the big play guy. Massington’s junior film: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/438855/eldridge-massington

Miles is the best junior safety in the state. He reminds me a lot of Marcell Harris. Good insurance policy on Harris, but if Texas can pair the two, watch out. 6’2’’ already above 200 pounds. Runs in the 4.5s. Good hitter, makes plays playing center field, good ball skills.

meant

quan jones and marcell ateman. are we not gonna offer (either of) these dudes?

Look at Quan Jones is following / followers on Twitter

Look for one infamous name, and you’ll figure out why Texas isn’t interested.

Could you please explain for those of us who refuse to use twitter?

Basically, Quan Jones seems to have some sort of relationship with a UT undesirable.

ugh

guessin senor flenory…hope we don’t have a problem w/ bun b the trill og.

You might be on to something there
flenory...

also following george baltimore and marcell ateman. ain’t that a kick to the junk

Baltimore is being discussed for a JD invitation

I think Miles is better. I could live with Texas passing on Baltimore. David Simon is going to be pissed.

Hoping for Clear Vision on Longhorn WR in 2013

I could be wrong – but it looks like we are just throwing numbers at the WR position. We add K. Sanders, Daje, and possibly Orlando Thomas as small WR candidates – and I am just unsure that these guys have a fit in what we do or want to do. Hales, DJ, C. Jones just never seem to develop a role and contribute. Then we have Caleb and Johnson who are a good size possession type, just not sure where are explosion is going to come from.

Daje is APB and Thomas is going to be a CB.

The explosiveness will come from Kendall Sanders, Daje situationally, and some from Marcus Johnson.

Really hope Sanders becomes a CB
Not to sound like a broken record

But what’s the deal with Christian Morgan?

Disregard

I clearly can’t read. Someone already said the same thing

I had the opportunity to meet Morgan and his mother

They are great people. Extremely polite, and a Texas Family. I am rooting for him. Right now though, it appears that Texas is looking at other options. Being completely subjective, Smythe looks better in film. I think Christian will have a great senior season though, and turn plenty of heads. He will play big time college football somewhere.

Sounds like Arkansas and Stanford

are hot on his trail.

I hope he goes to Stanford if he doesn't come to Texas

Great school.

stanford

can we just flip him if stanford offers? Does anyone do better evals on TEs?

Type of TE we are looking for

I’m not well versed in the type of TE that a Harsin offensive would employ. Are we looking at a “Brock Edwards” type or a “David Thomas” type of TE?

TE

Mack mentioned sealing the edge and getting out to block on screens as 2 important traits that they have to improve on at TE. I think you have your answer.

Glad to see a couple of TEs coming.

Besides these two, any idea of who Texas is looking at? Any others in state that have the potential to play (injury free?)

TEs

Red Oak TE / H back Jeremiah Gaines has an invitation to JD2. I’d say RSJ (WR/TE), Smythe, Morgan, and Gaines are the top 4. There’s a considerable drop off after them.

I think it’s likely that Texas gets RSJ and Smythe at JD1. Probably slow play Gaines.

Seems like Mack/Harsin

want the tight end to weigh 255, 260. And have hands and moves. Good luck finding that package!

Problem is that a HS tight end doesn’t impact games enough, so HS coaches take potential TEs and play them outside, or as part-time running backs, or as pass rushers on the defensive side. So they don’t develop as tight ends. Plus, HS juniors or seniors who could put on 10-15 pounds to function as TEs instead stay lean — thus quicker — to impact games from the WR or slot receiving spots.

True HS tight ends with college-like size are as rare as Vince Youngs . . . and then they’re likely to bulk up to 265 the first year in college and outgrow TE.

Really, I think we’re looking for two types of TEs: (1) a 260-pound blocking beast who has at least decent moves and dependably good hands . . . and (2) a TE-FB hybrid who can function as a possession-typ receiver and as a lead blocker; probably weighing in the 225-pound range.

I think Smythe, Morgan

Fit the big TE with hands profile. I think we’re good at H back until Grant graduates.

I wonder about that weight/size

If that is true, then you’d think it unlikely that they actually did tell ASJ that he wouldn’t remain at TE, as some say was the case. I’m not saying I have reason to believe they did or did not tell him that, but ASJ obviously has that kind of size and all the moves to go with it.

6-5, 250

and able to both block and run. Taller than David Thomas, he would be an H-back for Harsin, most likely. In other words, they want to guys that are really hard to find.

Spot on

McFarland is only guy on the roster that fits that description. I think Bluiett has the wingspan to play taller than he is (6’3’’).

How many OOS kids do you think we sign in this class

3-4

Harris and DJ Ward are the only ones on the radar right now

Peoria, AZ SDE Marcus Farria is a possibility. 2013 DE recruiting will be very interesting with Texas adding Cottrell, Bluiett, Ridgeway, Shiro Davis and Raulerson in a week.

I think they can take their time at the position.

Keith Ford is from Florida originally. Ishmael Wilson grew up in Louisiana. Daeshon Hall is from Washington. Sort of OOS kids now living in Texas.

raulerson?

is that official?

Not yet

Maybe tomorrow or the weekend.

ESPN is saying he has
It's done, Raulerson is a Longhorn
Great get, interesting to see his development on the 40A
Think we could see any Juco's in the 2013 class?

Still have question marks at QB, WR and TE, and depending on Jeffcoat, DE could be a question mark for 2013 as well. I know some of these will be answered during the season.

Mack

said yesterday that pursuing JUCO players would be unlikely in the future unless an immediate need develops as it did this season.

Yep

I think if TE doesn’t sort itself out, and there’s a JUCO in Texas or Mississippi that the coaches like, it’s possible they give him a look.

Also, do you think the Aggie commit(s) will make it to either of the JD's?
Golden isn't expected

Kohl Stewart seems like the next Matt Davis. He’s on the kool aid.

Griffin allegedly has some grade concerns around him.

Gibson maybe. I’ve heard a few things about him that I won’t get into. He needs an invitation first.

Christian Lacouture is all Aggie. I’d be surprised if he opened it up.

Man

I really want a shot at Griffin. Hopefully the grade concerns will get sorted out.

I'd rather have Golden

but Manning will be a good consolation prize

Manning is better

But yes I think Texas should continue to pursue Golden.

Is the Higgins invite

due to Golden committing to aggy?

Feels like an evaluation move

I don’t think Texas and Golden are done. Golden has only visited TAMU, if he takes other visits, Texas has a shot to grab him.

Any concern that Aggies already have some of the top kids in state for 2013?

They are off to agreat start.

Only if they have a great 1st year in $EC, IMO.

That ship is taking on water.

They are masters of shooting themselves in the foot.

So, not really.

Great start....meh

Griffin is a grade risk and may not qualify which is why we weren’t going after him, Slanina and Gibson are early takes that probably wouldn’t have received offers from us (at least not right away) not because they’re bad just because we’ll be more selective due to tight ships but yeah they are good takes for A&M. Golden is the only player that was on our board and its yet to be seen if he’s a hard Aggie commit, let’s see if he shows up to JD1.

If they have a great year then I’ll be worried, if not expect their studs to run to Ark/LSU/Bama or TX/OU again this winter…

On Golden

Not to worry. Tulane hasn’t offered him yet.

Makes for a longer A&M decommit season

Seriously though, they do have a nice start. Not unexpected based on the (latest) coaching change. I think they are also getting some boost due to constantly being in the headlines for the conference move.

Will those factors being enough to keep kids committed when the season turns into a trainwreck? History isn’t on their side.

Any chance Texas can just offer the top 10 list on Rivals

It would seem every yr around signing day we have to hear someone say: “Man I really wanted to go to Texas, i’ve loved them since the Vince Young days but they never offered me” I figure if you offer you’ll never know who might surprise you

I wouldn't trust that Winston kid

but that’s just my opinion. If the kids really wanted to go, they would try to get to a junior day or try to get some kind of contact going with these players. I mean, you don’t think our staff would’ve said “what up?” to Clowney or Winston if they came to Texas saying they were interested? I would imagine so.

Better hurry...

The window on kids who can still remember Vince Young is closing fast.

Didn't really think about that

but yeah, your right

Not relevant to recruiting.

Just joined along with the BC crew. Greetings!

Welcome.

And that was a bad, bad man. I wish he wouldn’t have went to my least favorite team int he NFL.

Excellent

Mr. West Coast Recruiting himself. Welcome.

Thanks Bill.

My undergrad alma mater now has a Tosh in it’s arsenal.

#calgang

And just like that a rec for you.
That's great that Mike Mitchell's going to be at JD2!

I liked what I had seen and read of him. He has his flaws, like most high school recruits, but he appears to be a very good projection to end, in my opinion. I thought it very strange that I hadn’t seen much of anything mentioned of him on BON, RC, etc., which was why I asked about him here and here. Of course at the time he wasn’t really even an afterthought on Rivals or Scout, I don’t think.

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