Burnt Orange Nation

Nope haha..

Obama gave them all away!

HookemHouston - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Really? Had to go in that direction?

It's true.

I was just saying.

People down here were really mad because when the shuttle program was ended the retired shuttles were all given away to different cities, and not a single one came to Houston, home of NASA! Not saying anything politically, just that we don’t have any more shuttles down here :(

Houston, we have a problem.

HookemHouston - January 31, 2012 reply

This precedent of organized fan support for a recruit

strikes me as something that could really get out of hand very quickly, especially considering Missouri isn’t exactly the craziest school around.

ryanlionrah - January 30, 2012 reply

Texas students have done it for years...

When I was at Texas (00-04), we would do all sorts of coordinated stuff. I remember at one home basketball game, in 03 I think, the SOB’s handed out fliers to the entire student section to hold up when Xavier Lee walked past the sections and chant something like “Lee and UT.” There was another time at a 02 home baseball game something similar was done with Drew Stubbs. It has been happening for a long long time.

OminousPolaris - January 30, 2012 reply

HELL YA

FATHER DENIES REPORT
HOOK EM BABY!!!
http://eye-on-recruiting.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26895818/34626598

btown1110 - January 30, 2012 reply

Just how much crazier

can this thing get? First it’s day to day, now it’s minute to minute. Come on Wed, and please hurry.

Rumors will certainly fly,

but it seems like John Beckham will continue to do the best job that he can refuting the rumors that he considers particularly out of line. Not that doing so will really stop them from getting out there.

? Is that DGB in the chopper?

We’ve gone beyond cars, money, and girls, to giving a recruit his own chopper?

Pinkel got a DUI

So he couldn’t drive to DGB’s school. Instead he visited by Chopper….Nice stunt.

I knew about Pinkel and DUI

My ? is if it’s illegal to loan a car would it not be illegal to loan your chopper? Looks like DGB at the wheel.

FWIW...

The visit occurred outside of the 30-day suspension of Pinkel’s license, so he could have driven. He’s been flying to visit in-state recruits for several years though, including having done so with Tyler Gabbert several years back.

RPT - January 30, 2012 reply

its different, something to think and talk about for DGB but its not going to decide anything.
and yeah, it does look like DGB in the front seat.

TheContractor - January 30, 2012 reply

He is

Pinkel was flown into DGB’s high school and DGB got to play with the pretty toy a bit. But, he didn’t actually fly it.

GoBR agreed on Mr. Beckham trying

Can you imagine how insane this would have been otherwise?

A freaking circus and a half.

But let's be honest

The Beckhams could always do what MEJ’s parents did and just announce and be done with it. NSD is less than 48 hours away, for crying out loud; it’s not like he doesn’t know where he’s going. The Beckhams are by all accounts wonderful people, so I’m not trying to hate; but at this stage in the game the circus is largely of their own making.

tx2step - January 30, 2012 reply

AMEN

They may be nice, but they have certainly hammed it up. Maybe they think publicity and marketing him now will only increase his potential for a Heisman and/or bigger paycheck if he performs as expected and goes pro??? It is a bit distasteful right now, but in the long run it could possibly help increase his value.

How are they hamming it up?

Just because they haven’t announced? The way they have handled this entire process has been extremely professional IMO. Just because they haven’t picked your school or announed on your timeline doesn’t mean they are trying to add publicity.

Horncasting - January 30, 2012 reply

Not hamming it up, but...

They’ve clearly chosen to make the announcement on signing day, on ESPNU no less. That means that by now they have something of a vested interest in keeping DGB’s ultimate destination under wraps until signing day, which to me means any denial issued by the Beckham camp is every bit as suspect as the rumor itself.

tx2step - January 30, 2012 reply

Sadly, I have to agree with you

I disagree

They didn’t need to announce (or allow an announcement) of when he was arriving at Mizzou.

They also didn’t need to allow Pinkel to come to his high school by helicopter.

I don’t really see how he cannot choose Mizzou after all the open lovin’. Folks in Mizzou are going to be pissed if he doesn’t pick them.

you never know

Maybe his parents aren’t thrilled by all that open loving maybe their love for Mack and Sally will force them to urge his commitment to Texas

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

We are making the assumption that Mack nailed his vist at the school.

Maybe he didn’t – maybe he didn’t give the HS coach (which is DGB’s father)enough attention when he arrived?

for all we know the rumors about DGB texting players saying he’s gonna be in Austin are true and he’s just waiting till signing day to announce. you just never know

You know what this whole thing reminds me of?

Lebron james: the decision. Ha.

HookemHouston - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Actually

there isn’t any conclusive evidence that DGB does know where he’s going.

Exactly

The Beckham family is different than the Edwards family. They have shown this all along. Plus, his dad is a coach…this means he is more likely to make sure the right choice is made and the process doesn’t become a show.

At least the Edwards family notified us before the official and allowing us to realize we had free defensive spots to go after Santos and Cottrell

sedonajim - January 30, 2012 reply

Almost too little too late.

Cottrell is still undecided…wish we had known earlier to be honest. I think we are still in it with DGB

I agree there's no conclusive evidence

But seriously it’s 43 hours away. Absent a direct conflict within the family over where DGB should go, it’s almost inconceivable to me that they don’t know.

tx2step - January 30, 2012 reply

I can understand not knowing until the last minute.

I actually sent my acceptance to Rice before changing my mind and going to UT. It’s a big decision.

Texas Wahoo - January 30, 2012 reply

ok tw, now you have peaked my interest in YOU!

Earl Campbell didn't know until the morning of NSD

But on the eve of national signing day, Earl was still confused about his decision. So he decided to do what he had been taught by his parents to do when he had a problem. He prayed, “God, if it’s your will that I should attend the University of Texas, then I’ll get up during the night to pee. If not, if I sleep through the night, then I’ll know your choice for me will be the University of Oklahoma.”

The Tyler Rose

R00T4UT - January 30, 2012 reply

to pee or not to pee

DKR probably put his hand in a glass of hot water just to make sure haha

? GoBR

Does Mack still have his in home visit scheduled with DGB?

No more visits etc...

Dead time
Mack was there thursday from what I recall

Countachlpsx - January 30, 2012 reply

He visited DGB at his school last Thursday.

pleaseplaykindle - January 30, 2012 reply

As more and more people demand information quickly,

I’m going to become increasingly skeptical of those providing it; especially if their sources are anonymous.

Just to clarify:

Not a knock on GoBR at all. Meant more like the original source of the news.

pleaseplaykindle - January 30, 2012 reply

That's cool

I’m sure those folks could use a break. Another ? GoBR. You said something about DKR needing our prayers, whats up? Or can you talk about it?

Never said that.

Maybe someone else did.

Thanks GoBR

I think maybe that was BFLT. Thought of that after my post.

That was

BFLT.

If he chooses Texas

there will be chaos and it will be sweet.

SMLonghorn44 - January 30, 2012 reply

eh im not worried

We got a great class already. If he wants to be swayed by what amounts to a nobody program that will never win a National Title that’s ok cause we’ll win a Title with or without him

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Beckham IS a program changer - once in a lifetime kid.

so is Johnathan Gray

And having DGB still won’t make Mizzou a Title Contender

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

I don't think so

I don’t think a WR can be a program changer on his own. You have to get the ball in his hands. A QB or a RB can get the ball easily. A WR must have a good QB and a good scheme. Calvin Johnson was great at Georgia Tech, but their best bowl appearance was the Gator Bowl.

Could he be a game changer in terms of getting better recruits to Mizzou? Sure. But as a player, he’s a game changer at a program with other great players, where the other team can’t focus their defense entirely on him.

UPB13 - January 30, 2012 reply

It's pretty hard for any one player to be a program-changer

I’m trying to think of someone who was. Maybe Vince? His tenure coincided with the program’s elevation from the level of top-ten expectations to top-one expectations. But even the top talents at QB or RB don’t usually change programs past their time on the team. Andrew Luck almost certainly didn’t change Stanford. Ron Dayne may have changed Wisconsin, but not into an elite program. Peyton Manning didn’t change Tennessee. Gray is obviously a blue-chipper, but watching him, I have a hard time seeing him as so good he could effect significant change for a program like Texas, especially with so many other RB’s who could likely be similarly productive for the team if Gray weren’t there.

Of course it will always take team support

But, yes – Vince, Earl, Peterson, Colt, Shipley, Staubach, Namath, etc. All were program changers and without them the programs would been different and significantly less.

I'm not saying the programs would've performed as well without them, but...

…do you think Texas is a much different program in five years if DGB attends and leaves in the meantime? I don’t know that it is. It’s already one of the nation’s elite programs, despite a poor 2010 and pedestrian 2011.

I think perceptions of DGB or Gray as the greatest in a generation are largely based on the law of recency.

Program changer - definition

1. Causes coaches to tailor their offense to his skills
2. Changes the dynamics of a schools recruiting – i.e.; QB’s and OL’s
3. Increases morale and motivation of teams’s offense AND defense.
4. Increases offensive scoring chances
5. Increases teams odds of winning games
6. Increases fan support and thus school revenues
7. Enhances schools image and chance of BCS selection

Think DGB can’t do this?

DGB is a program changing player

But I still wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for them to win a National Title. We on the other hand will win a Title in the next 4 years

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

I keep hearing this, but it doesn't seem to be grounded in reality

There’s going to have to be a lot of improvement in terms of skill and personnel to win a BCS championship. Sure UT might be on an upward trajectory, but it’s going to take more than that to beat teams that are already at the top.

it seems perfectly logical to me

We have the players we need and the coaches we need all that remains is waiting a little to let those players develop

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Other schools have the players and coaches they need

It takes a lot more than that to win a BCS championship.

Did any of the points I made have anything to do with winning BCS championships?

I was simply defining a program changer. You think DGB won’t, significantly, change the program at Misery? You think Pinkle is that stupid?

My response was to horns1025

Who apparently thinks it’s a given that Texas will win a BCS championship in the next few years.

Ah, sorry, my bad.

Look at LSU

ZERO skilled players on offense.

Defense and power running game will win the NCG.

And shorting talent like Jonathan Gray, Malcolm Brown, Joe Bergeron and Jaxon Shipley is very interesting.

Add a QB that doesn’t kill us, and we are as good as anything in the nation.

Personally Think We Need More from QB than not killing us

I do not think you can win a MNC with a QB that just doesnt make mistakes. And Bama doesn’t qualify – you stack the box on them and they annihilate you. The problem is these offensive systems under gurus like Holgerson, Briles, Leach et al cannot be shut down. Having Ash roll out – give him one read – and if the guy isn’t open – throw it out of bounds will not work. He has to be able to read and make a play with a secondary read. Now Ash was a frosh – so plenty of time to grow – but he certainly did not flash that ability.

realmccoy - January 30, 2012 reply

Neither is particularly likely,

But Mizzou is closer to winning a national title game than Texas at this point, at least in the short run.

id highly disagree with that

Because you're a Texas fan?

Missouri had a better 2011 than Texas did, and there was a reason for that.

Ha,

Most media outlets picked Mizzou around 3rd in the Big 12 and they started at 4-5. Yea, real “over achievers” there.

And, I don’t see how LeTigre had a “better” season than Texas did. Afterall, they were a pre-season Top 25 and ended unranked (just like Texas.) Most projectors had them at 3rd or 4th in the Big 12 and they flatout didn’t live up to expectations. Finished with the exact same record as UT.

I don’t believe that they were any “better” than UT. And based on expectations they fell far short of where they were projected.

Didn't they beat UT?

Sure,

On a very bad call that changede the momentum of the game and while we were without our 1st, 2nd and 3rd string TB’s.

Still finished with the EXACT same record as UT did. No better, no worse.

Right, but look at their other loss

Both lost to OU, OSU, KSU, and Baylor, so they were even in common opponents, but Mizzou won the head-to-head.

As for the comment about the missing UT tailbacks, that’s part of the game. Missouri lost Josey, who at the time had a better season in progress than UT’s top three RB’s combined, and still closed out with the same record. Moot point.

burntorangehorn = blackngoldtiger

longhorn35 - January 31, 2012 reply

That's a really dumb thing to say

I just don’t. Buy into the unbridled, blind optimism, myopia, and homerism that some do.

That's a fair thing to think.

But both optimism and pessimism are NOT reality. Just because you aren’t a homer doesn’t mean you are unrealistic. The road is two ways.

But unequivocal statements that UT will wn a BCS championship soon...

…is unrealistic homerism.

Yeah, I agree with that for sure.

Now 10 wins, that’s a bit closer, I think.

gotcha,

but it’s realistic for a Misery fan to say that their program is farther along than UT’s, and state that “Misery is closer to a NC at this point than UT”?

That makes a lot of sense.

I didn't say that it's not

Truth is, neither side looks set for a title run anytime soon, although Missouri does at least have the benefit of a proven QB.

Yea,

He’s proven that he can lead his team to an 8-5 record.

Let me tell ya - between McCoy and Ash we have the same thing.

Ash and McCoy combine for a proven QB?

I don’t know how one could reach that conclusion.

Sure,

They did! 8-5 record between the 2 of them… just like the 8-5 record from the Misery QB.

Point is - what the hell has the guy proved after directing his team to an 8-5 record?

Answer? Not a hell of a lot.

He didn't say that.

He would rather come after Longhorn fans. It’s a theme of his posts. I’m not sure why.

You're not sure why because it's a misconception on your part

Nothing new.

Just go back and read your own posts man.

You have good insight into this team but at least 50-75% are coming after fans because they are “homers”.

Not even close

And you’re also completely misrepresenting what I’m doing. They say something that’s not backed up in fact or completely unrealistic. I contradict it with something based on facts. That’s not going after someone; that’s giving a reality check.

Using

“homer”, “unrealistic”, “blind faith”, etc etc. Maybe some day we can be as middle of the road as you are. Oh teach me your wisdom on realism.

The "FACT"

is – Misery had the same 8-5 record that Texas did. And you think I give a shit what the “stats” look like? As per Muschamp – “stats are for losers!”

But yea, if you think that Misery’s 8-5 record was better than UT’s 8-5 record, then ok. It’s a free world.

Bottom line is, I would venture that UT is MORE LIKELY to play in another NCG before Misery does.

I don't think you do

There’s a whole lot of rhetoric that assumes everything’s going to pan out for Texas, and nothing’s going to pan out for anyone else. It’s always an assumption of the best-case scenario with so many, and that’s never realistic.

Wrong.

There’s a whole lot of rhetoric (giving our past, winning history) that Texas will pan out. That’s it. You are assuming we just bash on every team when that is not the case. You are taking that to the extreme. The reason we started talking about Mizzou is because they came over here saying stuff. It’s not unrealistic, you just take it to the extreme because we think our storied, resourceful university will somehow pan out in it’s biggest sport versus universities that can’t hold our jock.

I don't resort to extremes

I just provide the side of the coin that you won’t even consider in your blind faith.

Not true.

In fact, I just jumped in here at the end to point out your ridiculousness.

Just because you are pessimistic in this regard doesn’t mean people have “blind faith” as you put it. You are so far on the other side that you see it as blind faith. I don’t get why you don’t understand that.

Besides, why is it your calling to “provide the side of the coin” every single time, if it’s so bad?

I'm not pessimistic

I’m using facts to back up my statements that contradict statements that are not based on facts. That’s not pessimism. That’s realism. The fact that you don’t know the difference is telling.

The fact that you continually

hammer Texas fans and ignore what any other fans say, and then call them homers, yet think you live in realism is telling.

I don't hammer Texas fans

And I don’t ignore what others say. That’s just something you’re making up.

Who would do such a thing!?

You, evidently

It’s your MO in our interactions, as history has shown.

The head-to-head was played in Missouri

That’s not a non-factor here. Did they beat us head-to-head? Yeah, on their turf. Had the game been played in Austin (even crappy turf injuries aside), we may have seen a different outcome. I’m not complaining or revising history, that’s kinda how sports work. Usually somebody gets home field advantage. In this case they did and they beat us. I don’t know that I would say that definitively makes them the better team though.

Regardless, both teams had pretty mediocre seasons, so what are we arguing over exactly? How about we just let next season play out and then see who had the better year. FWIW, my money would be on Texas, but I’m not much of a betting man.

mwjames - January 31, 2012 reply

Well,

UT won the head to head in 08 against OU, but still weren’t considered the “better team”. Bottom line, both teams finished the season 8-5 and it could be argued that UT was the better team, or that Mizzou was the better team. At the end of the day, both were irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and both of them finished the year unranked and at 8-5.

And yea, Josey played a good portion of the game and average a little over 1.3 yards per carry. He was “killing it”. It’s all speculation, but I would expect a healthy Brown, Bergeron, Whittaker to fair very well against that Misery team.

But, a huge miss-call by the officials and critical injuries were a definite impact on that game in Mizzou.

Either way - 8 and 5 is 8 and 5 any way you cut it.

You can go back and see my reaction to that game

But the fact is that if we’re comparing the running games, Missouri had a better one.

I'm not

I’m still talking about the moron that made a statement that Misery was “farther along than UT, and is closer to competing for a NC”.

I could care less about rushing stats… I know that Josey was doing absolutely nothing against the UT defense, and I recall the UT running game (when healthy) powering through two straight game with an average of 430 yards per carry.

Who cares really – I am comfortable saying that since we each finished the season with the EXACT same record of 8-5, and we have a top 2 recruiting class coming in this year while Misery may crack the top 25… I will stand behind my prior statement that whoever that Misery fan is that made the comment is on crack.

Neither team is very far along toward a NC

Things can turn on a dime in CFB, as we’ve seen countless times (2009 to 2010 Texas, 2010 to 2011 Texas, 1999 to 2000 Oklahoma, etc.), but such swings aren’t usually very predictable. As I’ve said, neither team has really shown it’s on track to an imminent BCS title. A lot of other programs are in the way at this point, and either Texas or Missouri would have to overtake them all to win it all.

Great,

so in other words, you’re just arguing to be arguing? Against your own fanbase no less.

You noticed this as well?

I

lol’ed

LOL

I am not saying that UT is “close”, but to say that Missouri is farther along to a potential NC is funny as hell.

How in the hell can anybody make that statement with a straight face? Hell, Truman the Tiger would slap you upside the head for saying such stupid crap.

They were further behind Texas BEFORE they bolted for the SEC. Now – hell. Let me see – Texas needs to beat Oklahoma, TCU, Baylor and Iowa State. Mizzou has to beat LSU, Alabama, South Carolina, Arkansas, Georgia, etc., etc., etc…

This is prolly the dumbest, least realistic post I have seen on this board.

Actually, we need to beat Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia

and beat Alabama/LSU/whatever in the SECCG. The East won’t be so much less powerful than the West forever, but we’re talking short-run here.

Seriously, take a look at Mizzou’s schedule this year vs. last year’s. It’s not any more difficult. And it won’t be until the East picks up its game.

Again, talking short run, you guys are in a rebuilding phase,failed to make a bowl 2 years ago,and barely made one this year. Missouri, in contrast, is coming off of 10 and 8 win seasons, and has none of the question marks on offense that Texas does. The program’s just in better shape right now.

no its not

you had the exact same record as us and even if you do get DGB our recruiting class still blows yours out of the water. and this was our first year with an almost entirely new coaching staff that for the most part did very well considering the injuries that were suffered. add in that we played so many freshman last year who performed well and will be back next year with a year of experiance and add in this year’s recruiting class and our future looks much brighter than Mizzou’s

every team

has a beergut

UTLawGrad - January 30, 2012 reply

i dont think ive ever met a KSU beergut

Or a Tech one for that matter…..or even an OU one

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Florida,

Yea, you left them out too.

Tell me, how many times has Mizzou won the weak Big 12 (even though they played in the weakest division to the North?) How many BCS bowls did Mizzou even play in while competing in a much weaker Big 12? I counted ZERO on both fronts. So, ZERO + ZERO = ZERO. Now you think it’s gonna get better somehow when you move to a stronger SEC conference?

Also, I love how Texas is on the “decline” while they finished with the same record than the “short run” better team Mizzou did. Not to mention that Mizzou is losing it’s recruiting identity in general and the Texas recruiting pipeline is now drying up.

I laugh at this joke of a school thinking it is somehow in a better position than UT. That’s rich right there.

Well said about the Texas pipeline

WVU and TCU will fill the void that Misery leaves when the Texas
pipeline dries up for them – and it will. Look at the nebbie recruiting list this year. Both Misery and the college station cowards basically are taking the equivalent of SMU’s death sentence – both teams were pretty irrelevent as it was and now they will be more obscure than a black hole.

Classic

Unfortunately DGB will likely twist his knee one night while playing on that goat field that they have in Misery.

I did notice that Misery has put together a long list of 2 and 3 star talent in this years recruiting class.

They are on the decline over the last 2 years, but they are a short run NC favorite.

What a joke.

Um

Our recruiting classes have always been a long list of 2 and 3 star talent. And we still have a better record over the last two years than Texas.

Gaknar - January 30, 2012 reply

Actually,

We have the exact same record over the last 1 year…

The same record over the last 3 years…

A better record over the last 4 years…

A MUCH better record over the last 5 years, last 6 years, last 7 years, last 8 years, last 9 years, last 10 years, last 11 years!!! Etc, etc., etc….

See, I can cherry pick years too. Except you brought a butter knife to a gunfight.

amazing

what playing in the Big 12 North can do for a program’s self-esteem

UTLawGrad - January 30, 2012 reply

In 2011, Misery had 35 Texans on the team

Good luck in finding their replacements in Misery.

I pick chupita and Snide for my debate team.

DA-yum!

JoeT63 - January 30, 2012 reply

LOL - actually I have sparred with Gakner before

He’s really is a pretty cool guy, even though he is convinced that UT is evil incarnate and Misery is so pure it makes your teeth hurt!
Nevermind that Misery has whined about joinng the Big 10 since they were in the Big 8.

The SEC is gonna LOVE Misery and aggy – notorious bitchers and mal-contents since the beginning of time.

The part that the sec is going to love

Is the break that they will get on the schedule when they play them!

we only have one question mark on offense...

Qb ha. We have 3 or 4 rbs that would kick the shit out of the mizzouri defense on any field besides that piece of crap you call home. And who the hell plays wr for misery? I can’t name a single one. Without tj moe and james franklin you are mediocre at best.

HookemHouston - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Medocrity and Missouri - kinda rhymes, doesn't it?

you are mediocre at best.

Texas has more than just QB that's a question mark, even just on offense

QB is the most impactful position, too, making that question mark bigger than any other. Don’t forget that WR, TE, and some of the OL are all question marks as well.

Also note that Missouri’s top returning rusher had almost as many yards and touchdowns than any two of UT’s rushers combined, in far few carries and despite missing the last three games to that season-ending injury.

Their top three returning rushers (Josey, Franklin, and Lawrence) combined for 481 carries, 2715yds., 5.64yds/carry, and 29 touchdowns last year.

UT’s top three returning rushers (Brown, Bergeron, and Monroe) combined for 292 carries, 1531yds., 5.24yds/carry, and 11 touchdowns last year.

I really don’t know that I’d be criticizing the Missouri rushing game when they had a stronger one than UT last year, and won the head-to-head matchup as well.

The rushing difference is not apples to apples

This has been discussed ad nauseum.

What has NOT been discussed enough, in my opion, is Harsin. I think the the jury is still out on him. We all know our offense was devastated by injuries and QB ineptness. It would appear the Boise systems collapses like a house of cards under these conditions. I hate to say it, but I don’t think the GD offense would have fared as badly.

So, in my opinion, Diaz has proved himself but Harsin has not. HE will be under the microscope this year, make no mistake about it!

Why isn't it apples-to-apples?

If you mean James Franklin as QB, would you consider it a better comparison to subtract his numbers? That still wouldn’t change the fact that Josey’s nine-game season was as good as the combined seasons of any two Texas rushers.

I totally agree on Harsin. The jury is still out, and it’s going to take a while to know what to expect from him in a more autonomous role, installing an offense for the first time, at a much higher level of football. I tend to be slightly optimistic, but not to the point that many vocal posters are, as their projections of future success necessarily presume that Harsin’s offense is going to be lights-out very soon. I’m not convinced that’s realistic at this point, because while some OC’s seem to be able to install successful offenses immediately (Malzahn, Holgorsen, etc.), they usually have experience doing so already, and are generally dealing with fewer challenges and a less competitive environment.

Not to continuosly repeat a tired subject, but...

I will list the differences:
1. A completely new offense to learn
2. Inept QB’s – hence opposing teams loading the box with NO concern for any passing threat
3. Basically a new and inexperienced OL
4. Injuries to all running backs, INCLUDING Fozzie

Misery did not experience ANY of the above until they played Texas and their own field injured their primary RB.

Even though the two teams we devestated with our running game were weak against the run, at least our backs were HEALTHY and showed it! This is ikmprtant in the big picture.

Finally, our record was the same as Misery and I will quote Will Muschamp – “Statistics are for losers, I like winning games!”

So it's your contention that UT was the superior rushing team?am?D

Despite the lack of any facts that indicated that?

I'll ask you this.

Who’s a better running back? An injured Trent Richardson or a healthy Henry Josey?

It’s not all about stats, injuries DO affect the game.

I have ZERO doubt in my mind that we would have won the Mizzouri game with even just half of our injured players playing.

I need you to read what I wrote.

And think about what I said.

My remark was that comparing Misery’s rushing attack to UT’s was not apples to apples and I reluctantly explained why, once again. This has been discussed in many threads and, frankly, is becoming very tedious.

I don’t understand your insistance on arguing about it.

Not sure you do

There’s a whole lot of rhetoric that assumes everything’s going to pan out for Texas, and nothing’s going to pan out for anyone else. It’s always an assumption of the best-case scenario with so many, and that’s never realistic. Maclin was apparently an example of wasted talent at Mizzou, while White, Williams, Webber, etc. were all ignorable.

There is a reason Josey only gained very few yards against Texas. Hope he has fun in the SEC, guarantee he wont do nearly as good!

GooberSmoocher - January 31, 2012 reply

Yes, but he will be in the SEC!

OBdoc - January 30, 2012 reply

Agreed on great class

But it would sorta be fun to go OOS and cherry pick for a change. Let ’em see how it feels.

DGB and Darius White?

That would be a pretty nasty receiving corps for Missouri.

Either way – we are really out of it IMO. I think we are actually 3rd behind Arkansas or Missouri.

Would be nice to have DGB and Ship together though… great dual threat with our running game.

good luck with Darius White....

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Darius White?

Skillet hands and bad attitude do not make for a nasty receiver.

Interesting,

I would be interested to see what White does with a change of location…

Well apparently

he was homesick quite a bit and it affected his performance. If that isn’t true, he’s a liar. If it is, Mizzouri is farther away. We will see.

TCU and SMU

Must not have thought too much of him.

I would hate to be a Mizzou receiver. Talk about a no win situation. Crappy team now increasing competition. Those SEC D-lines are gonna eat up that O-Line.

It's like a lesser form of aggy

because they are moving to the SEC too. Except more people care about aggy. Mizzou and aggy will seriously be wishing they lived in the big 12 about 5 years from now.

And that’s not coming from a Texas perspective, that’s coming from a common sense perspective.

My partner is from Birmingham

Huge Italian family. Plenty of Bama and Auburn fans there and NOBODY was happy about Mizzou. They don’t like them culturally, logistically, etc. They think it was a bad decision and wanted VaTech, UNC, Clemson or FSU. Mizzou was so afraid that the Big XII wouldn’t survive that they made a bad move, and now the Big XII is almost certain to survive with WVu and TCU.

Yeah I have heard the same thing from SEC fans I know.

Mizzou made a way worse decision here. At least aggy can still recruit Texas. Mizzou cut out all remaining ties from the state by leaving the conference and will be mired in obscurity before too long.

The ironic thing about tAMU using the SEC as a recruiting tool is...

LSUand Arky love it. The dumbasses will do nothing more than help their recruiting efforts. I mean, who would a recruit choose between – LSU, Arky or the college station goobers, if they wanted to play in the SEC?

Have you seen White play or even practice? Well neither has anyone else in the past 2 years. Not scary, roll S over to DGB, play White 1 on 1 and have that corner spy in backfield, DW aint gonna do a thing.

TheContractor - January 30, 2012 reply

But who will be throwing them the passes though?

az5950 - January 30, 2012 reply

James Franklin or Maty Mauk.

MU'97 - January 30, 2012 reply

The guy with

10 more TD passes, 1 fewer interception, 5 percentage points better completion rate, and nearly a thousand yards more than Texas’ QB by committee last year.

Franklin is a good player.

That’s without a doubt. But he is not elite. I’ll take my chances with a game manager, a ridiculous running game, and a top 5 defense.

Missouri had a better running game than Texas did last year

I wasn't referring to last year.

Then you're making assumptions about next year?

Namely that Texas will somehow become a better rushing team (despite being pretty far behind in 2011), Ash or McCoy will become a game manager, and Missouri won’t keep pace?

Um. Yes.

That’s not outside the spectrum of reality with a good tackle coming in shifting over a guard who played tackle last year. We have the best high school back in the country coming into an already potent stable of running backs who were injured last year. Ash has a TRUE year to learn the intricacies of QB, and get one on one time with the coaches.

Meanwhile, Mizzouri will still be solid, but play a tougher schedule with less talent coming in then Texas with a not as good coaching staff.

I am biased, yes, but I will take us over them next year. And I didn’t even talk about our defense, our newer coachs becoming more comfortable, etc etc.

Texas wasn't the only team to deal with RB injuries

Check out how Josey was doing prior to his season-ending injury. He missed a quarter of the season and still produced about the same as any two Texas backs. Again, you’re considering circumstantial justifications for UT, but not the comparison.

No.

I’m pointing out the Texas side of things because we are on a Texas board, not a Mizzouri one. If you want the comparison from a Mizzouri standpoint, go to their boards.

Besides, the point isn’t a comparison, the POINT is that I will take our situation over theirs.

There's no value in a one-sided look in a comparison

Especially when that one side is steeped in hope, not facts.

Then why are you here!?

I’ve asked that before. Listen, I get what you’re saying. Of course you have to look at both sides. But what you are doing is convicting Texas fans for giving the Texas-side view of things. Then you pull out this holier than thou attitude like you live in a world of realism and we are mere peasants that you have to teach.

Plenty of people look at both sides. You have tunnel vision. You are looking to attack and attack on the grounds of us being homers and you being real that you forget the fact that we have ALWAYS talked about Texas until Mizzouri or Arky fans came over and provoked.

I'm not convicting at all

I’m providing the other side for them to see, because they seem to be unwilling to figure it out for themselves.

I have tunnel vision? There’s something about a pot and kettle you should remember, and you should also know what myopia and groupthink are. The latter is perhaps the most common phenomemon here.

*phenomenon

Of course there is!

This is a friggin Texas Longhorn’s board! Of course there is group think!

What are you attempting to achieve here? People KNOW the other side. You don’t give them enough credit. People WANT to talk about the side they like. That’s common psychology. This isn’t the “fair play” board.

Just because people don’t talk about the other side, doesn’t mean they don’t know the other side.

They obviously don't, based on the dialogue

For example, you bring up mitigating circumstances for Texas, but pretend such things don’t exist when it comes to the other teams.

But that’s not to say that the same can’t be said for most fans of any team.

What?

I am not “pretending” they don’t exist, just because I don’t bring them up!

Of course they have those circumstances! That’s my point. Just because I don’t bring it up doesn’t mean I don’t know they are true! Gah, that’s frustrating.

I know way more about our mitigating circumstances, and they were way more crippling, which is why I brought them up. Besides, that wasn’t even my main point.

How important is it to you that other teams had running back injuries?

Is that relevent to Texas’ problems?

40A is make assumptions about next year based on healthy running backs, a year more of experience for the whole team, a dynamite defense, a years worth of experience with a new offense and the expectation of a QB having the benefit of having more reps with the 1’s AND a years worth of starting experience..

Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Actually, why do you insist on negative arguing down every point a Longhorn poster makes
about their favorite team and on a Longhorn blog? Are you truly a Longhorn fan, because it is really starting to look suspicious.

The Five Stages of a Dorial Green-Beckham Rumor

1) Denial. This has already happened, see the links above to his dad’s statement.

2) Anger. “What the hell, they must be paying the kid!”

3) Bargaining. “Maybe if we arrange conjugal visits with his girlfriend…”

4) Depression. “If only we had a quarterback he’d be in burnt orange already…”

5) Acceptance. “At least he’s not going to OU.”

windycityhorn - January 30, 2012 reply

So your suggesting

We should all join this Five step program?

I think some of us need a 12-step program

I’d point my fellow addicts to link to a great article from Grantland that sums it up nicely:

Here’s the bottom line: We care very much about our college football teams and we have absolutely zero control over their success. It’s a nerve-racking position. It calms us to see that efforts are being made to improve the team. It comforts us to know that help might be on the way, and to know how many tackles that help registered in his junior year of high school and to know his 40 time and max bench press. Maybe we can even watch some video of that help. Essentially, we need help.

windycityhorn - January 30, 2012 reply

This Grantland

Does he have any sources that might know where DGB is going? Just playing.

Just in case

I’ll wait till NSD to raise a toast to step #5

Oh Yea on dual threat

And don’t forget Manny’s building a lock down D.

This could be funnier

If Aggy were involved they would have some senator demand that DGB attend atm. I told you we would miss them.

Nunna Yo Bizness - January 30, 2012 reply

They are kind of involved. DGB goes to either Arky or Mizzou and he'll be kicking their ass the next few years...

since A&M will play both teams every year.

I can live with Mizzou but not OU..

bevomav - January 30, 2012 reply

Seconded

No Piggies, either. If Texas can’t land him, I hope it’s Mizzou.

beast in bama - January 30, 2012 reply

I third that

I don’t care about Mizzou and they need all the help they can get in the SEC.

in addition

Even if they do get him they will still be bottom feeders in the sec, so it doesn’t matter.

HookemHouston - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Rumors are rumors and nothing more usually when it's this late

As GoBR and others have said, anything this late is usually nothing to take to heart. I fully agree. Look at Hicks and his recruitment.

Hicks made the wise decision.

Look where OSU is versus where we are now. If DGB is wise, he’ll know how successful UT will become in a year or two versus Mizzou/Arky in that same span.

BONation11 - January 30, 2012 reply

That's what I'm counting on.

He has to look at the track record. Plus, Ash was a true freshman thrown into the fire with injuries and a crazy strong Big12 this year.

http://outkickthecoverage.com/five-star-recruit-landon-collins-mom-alleges-nick-saban-promised-job-to-recruits-girlfriend.php

surprised Saban used this on Landon and not DGB

codaxx - January 30, 2012 reply

Unbelievable - but probably true

sedonajim - January 30, 2012 reply

the fact that the NCAA

made that rule applicable only to basketball is amazing. Do these people have no idea at all what they’re dealing with?

cade21 - January 30, 2012 reply

I can't believe it doesn't apply to every sport equally

There’s simply no excuse for that. It’s just another example of pandering to the SEC’s traditions.

i saw a post

on another site saying that the NCAA is the most ineptly run organization not based in College Station. Thought that was pretty good

cade21 - January 31, 2012 reply

Were they giving our Federal Gov't a pass?

IMO

If he goes to Mizzouri it will be another Darrell Scott situation…….all that talent wasted on a mediocre (at best) program. People will finally see that Pinkel is in over his head. (Some might disagree with me, but I truly believe Pinkel has reached the ceiling – a long time ago – and he will never get MU over the proverbial hump – esp. now in the SEC.)

At least in Sooeyville, DBG could pretty much bank on Petrino’s offensive philosophy – regardless of whatever is waiting in the wings at QB. (Not that whatever QB will be decent – just that Petrino likes to fling the ball, therefore more enticement for someone like DBG.)

I’m still hoping and praying this is all a smokescreen and DBG will be in burnt orange. He and his family have kept it hush-hush and said “nobody knows his decision.” I’m hoping that references a decision to surprise everyone (see: so-called "recruiting experts).

Go Bevo - January 30, 2012 reply

Did you say the same thing about Jeremy Maclin?

Because a lot of people at OU did.

MU'97 - January 30, 2012 reply

Nah,

but Maclin could have been a lot better.

How?

Gaknar - January 30, 2012 reply

Better scheme.

Better RBs, better QB.

He totally would have gone for 1600 yards from scrimmage with 18 total TDs instead of a measly 1553 Yscrm/17 TDs duh

joker24 - January 30, 2012 reply

Just anti-trolling there

buddy.

I wasn't trolling

I was making a point. Arkansas’ offense is not significantly better than Missouri’s, in production or in NFL preparation, even if Petrino is a very good coach. And Pinkel is no slouch.

MU'97 - January 30, 2012 reply

Don't sell Pinkel short. He's a tremendous slouch.

JoeT63 - January 30, 2012 reply

I LOL'd - well played!

C'mon, Missouri does fine with good talent

And it’s not like we haven’t seen four- and five-star talent go to waste at Texas, too. Do you think the expectations should’ve been bigger for Maclin or Darius White?

We get it, man.

Not sure that's the case

There’s a whole lot of rhetoric that assumes everything’s going to pan out for Texas, and nothing’s going to pan out for anyone else. It’s always an assumption of the best-case scenario with so many, and that’s never realistic. Maclin was apparently an example of wasted talent at Mizzou, while White, Williams, Webber, etc. were all ignorable.

Yes, but you are everybody else's fan

besides Texas. First Arky now this. We get it man, you think you live in a reality world just because you are pessimistic.

I'm a Texas fan

Your jingoistic perspective is akin to the mindset of those who think dissenters should get out of the USA.

Nice.

Great comparison. You try so hard to play the other side of the coin that YOU ARE the other side of the coin.

What's this even supposed to mean?

It's not calculus.

You try really hard to be that “barometer of truth” that-the other side of the coin that you argue so fiercely-that’s you.

My poin, exactly

BOH, you need to lighten up a bit. This is a Longhorn blog with Longhorn supporters. You have exibited suspiciously strong anti-Longhorn dialog – so much so that you are beginning to take on the mantle of fake Longhorn troll.
I think a real test would be to go to our rivals sites and see if you are as adamant and as insistant in knocking down their posters opinions as you are here.

By-the-way, this is simply ridiculous and, quite frankly, insulting!

Your jingoistic perspective is akin to the mindset of those who think dissenters should get out of the USA

.

Judging from his quote, picture, and that comment

I’d say he is a history major/teacher! Just a guess.

HookemHouston - January 31, 2012 reply

All of these rumors could be nothing more than a Misery red herring

Hoping to stir up UT reactive anger at DGB on the social networks. We have already seen where he struck out at an arky twwet for dissing him.

id like to see that tweet and his response lol

yes, would like to see that.

silky51 - January 30, 2012 reply

Don't know how to box quote, but DGB tweeted this about an hour ago

It’s my time to make my own decision. Dnt need anyone to tell me where to go cuz it’s all on me #mytime
here is the link https://twitter.com/#!/DorialGB5/status/164131188976525313

Frazier90 - January 30, 2012 reply

Missery's schedule

2012 SCHEDULE

Date Opponent / Event Location Time

09/01/12 OPEN DATE TBA TBA
09/08/12 vs. Georgia * Columbia, Mo. TBA
09/15/12 vs. Arizona State Columbia, Mo. TBA
09/22/12 at South Carolina * Columbia, S.C. TBA
09/29/12 OPEN DATE TBA TBA
10/06/12 vs. Vanderbilt * Columbia, Mo. TBA
10/13/12 vs. Alabama * Columbia, Mo. TBA
10/20/12 OPEN DATE TBA TBA
10/27/12 vs. Kentucky * Columbia, Mo. TBA
11/03/12 at Florida * Gainesville, Fla. TBA
11/10/12 at Tennessee * Knoxville, Tenn. TBA
11/17/12 OPEN DATE TBA TBA
11/24/12 at Texas A&M * College Station, Texas TBA

Poor Missery…..I don’t know how DGB thinks he can shine at Mizzou when their QB is going to be lucky to get off a pass more than 5 yards.

it's sad how even big 12 royalty bows down in deference to the SEC

I guess you guys are ok with a 2 SEC-team championship every year, since a good team from your conference is going to be plowed in the SEC, huh?

rg643 - January 30, 2012 reply

we dont bow to the SEC

And can you really call a team that never won the conference a good team? Its Mizzou that should bow to their new SEC brethren

horns1025 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

^this

+1

If there were a good team from the Big 12 going

you could have a point. Mizzou at least has a chance of being decent because of Franklin, aggy sucks and will only get worse unless Sumlin is a miracle worker.

cade21 - January 30, 2012 reply

I see different.

At least aggy will still get some Texas talent. Who is Mizzou gonna recruit. Mizzourians? LOL

Well, there is always Delaware and Rhode Island to get recruits from.

I seem to recall a kid from Springfield

that everyone’s pretty excited about. You might want to read up on him.

Hello Mizzou

Look at yourself, now look at us. Sadly your Academics, your Football team, your recruiting class and your women will be never be as good as ours. But maybe if you get Mr. Green-Beckham, you will know what we feel like daily, for one fleeting moment.

Have a nice life.

Kestrel76 - January 31, 2012 reply

congrats he's 1 in a million

Missouri doesnt produce that much D1 talent

horns1025 - January 31, 2012 reply

1 in a million?

Don’t slight the kid now!

mwjames - January 31, 2012 reply

Annnnnnnnd

you might not get him.

They've always gotten Texas talent

and haven’t done anything of note in a long time. Hence the need for a miracle worker. And i was speaking short term, clearly in the long term Missouri is screwed.

cade21 - January 30, 2012 reply

I think everyone here is pretty confident that

UT can hold their own with the SEC. Did you know that we are 34 and 16 vs the sec? probably not since your’re an ignorant troll. If UT, OU, or even a team like KSU (with the wizard) were to go to the SEC they would be able to compete much better than tiggers.

Mizzou is 20-8-1 against SEC teams

71% winning percentage versus UT’s 68%. Oh, and 4-1 in games since 2000.

and look at how many games we have played against them vs how many you have played

horns1025 - January 31, 2012 reply

Texas's record against current SEC teams:

188-88-10 all time (includes A&M and Mizzou). Let us know if Mizzou keeps up that pace now that they will play the SEC regularly.

OminousPolaris - January 31, 2012 reply

Maybe I should point out to you another significant fact

Texas is 17 – 6 all time vs. Misery!

Before you come to a UT blog, talking shit, maybe you should get all of your facts straight. Run along to your SEC masters now, little boy.

I think Texas can handle all the SEC teams

Except Vandy.

hahahahah

I was going to say something about that, but then decided it might be counter productive. For the trolls out there, vandy is the only team with a winning record vs us. Call them the wildcats of the sec.

Technically South Carolina does too

With a whopping 1-0 record against the Horns in a game played in 1957.

OminousPolaris - January 31, 2012 reply

And Mississippi State is tied with us

all time at 2-2. So it’s true they don’t have a winning record over us, but we don’t over them either.

mwjames - January 31, 2012 reply

Probaly not wise for a SEC goober to diss the Longhorns against the SEC

Here is our all time record against the SEC

<strong>Texas holds a 95–46–4 all time record against the Southeastern Conference.

haha that is a more impressive stat..

I should have used that one! I think it is against all current sec teams, even before the sec was formed. 34-16 is only from the time when the sec was formed I just checked.

Yes. the Longhorns actually OWN the sec,sec,sec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drum roll, please...

and now we can add the totals for the Ag’s & Missouri!

Life is good.

j_java - January 30, 2012 reply

Ha i think

The trolls had enough. Realized that we are not aggies, so therefore they were severely outmatched.

DGB MISERY IS SPELLED MISSOURI

HOOKEM IN FL - January 30, 2012 reply

Haha very nice!

HookemHouston - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Can anyone shed any light of the bad news on the Humidor regarding DGB and Attrition for the team

kcmorse - January 31, 2012 reply

I gather it's Calvin Howell who is leaving

Based on this exchange: http://twitter.com/#!/Recruitocosm/status/164452735163432960

Not sure what the news is with DGB, but if it’s bad, I don’t think the specifics make much of a difference.