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US Army Bowl West Team Practice Notes

After making the morning drive down to San Antonio and stopping by the Grand Hyatt to pick up my credential, it was time to head out to the Blossom Athletic Complex to watch the West team practice in preparation for Saturday morning's US Army All-American game. The contest in the Alamodome will feature Texas commits Kendall Sanders, Hassan Ridgeway, Tim Cole, and Nick Jordan, as well as Texas targets Dorial Green-Beckham, Torshiro Davis, and Arik Armstead, who has been making noises this week about sticking around the area for the next week to take a visit up to Austin.

Head on after the jump for a few notes. Pictures will follow when I get back to Austin and can access my camera, as well as an interview with Nick Jordan and whatever else I can swing this evening when the players are supposed to be available again.

Star-divide

  • Want to talk about a kid who passes the eyeball test? In this environment, most of the kids do, especially in the trenches and at linebacker, but massive Washington tackle Zach Banner is literally heads and shoulders above virtually everyone else on the West team, aside from Arik Armstead, who is virtually as tall as Banner.
  • Armstead dominated a couple of reps against John Michael McGee, first bull-rushing the Oklahoma commit into the quarterback and then using a quick swim move to beat McGee quickly off the line. Pad level is always a concern for a kid that big trying to play defensive tackle and he certainly looks like an offensive linemen, but he hasn't wanted to play offense here and looked good on defense in the limited look.
  • Banner struggled at times in one-on-ones against Javante Magee, as the coaches were working with him on his angles in his pass set and in getting his punch at the proper time. Still, the kid clearly has all the physical tools and carries his listed 330 pounds extremely easily. It's even likely that he did better in other reps.
  • Dorial Green-Beckham is a lean 220 pounds and, as the film shows, moves extremely well for his size. He was quiet in the first scrimmage session before lunch before dominating afterwards, but did have some consistency issues catching the football, as he has a tendency to let it get into his body. It doesn't seem that he has poor hands, but looks rather like a technique issue. He also seems like a really nice kid who was willing to make time for people who wanted to take pictures with him.
  • Kendall Sanders will probably get a look at receiver first when he gets to Texas, but has been working at cornerback in this setting and reportedly impressed in the first several days of practice. It looked to be more of the same on Thursday, as Sanders helped shut down DGB in the morning session and looked as natural, quick, and fluid at defensive back live as he does at receiver in his highlights. He lost about 15 pounds or so after getting sick during the season, so he's a bit on the skinny side right now, but he's shown the ability to put on some solid weight in the past.
  • Hassan Ridgeway looks as good as any player on the defensive line for the West team after losing 15 pounds himself following the football season. In terms of upper body strength, Ridgeway looks ready to contribute immediately.
  • John Michael McGee looked like a running back next to Banner and has a really thin lower body that raises some concerns about the strength in his base.
  • Speaking of skinny, Edward Pope looks like his legs could snap in half at any minute. The kid is obviously a hard hitter and strong football player, but it's hard to imagine that thin body surviving four college football seasons without some durability issues.
  • For the most part, the quarterback play wasn't particularly strong for the West team, especially from Zeke Pike, who struggled spinning the football and with his accuracy, throwing one duck downfield to DGB against the air that barely traveled 30 yards in the air when it needed to travel 45.
  • Nick Jordan punted for Coppell last season, but doesn't look like a natural punter at this point, as he struggled to drive the football. In comparison, local product Ethan Perry was booming spirals down the field and the TCU commit looked worthy of the scholarship offer he received from the Horned Frogs. At times, he was able to get strong height and distance on his kickoffs, but sometimes left his kicks too flat.
  • Didn't see much from Tim Cole, who is definitely on the small side for a linebacker and may be miscast at outside linebacker, but I did see some other reports from people who were impressed with what he did today.
  • Trey Williams is every bit as fast and quick in person as he is in film and looks like a strong candidate to find the endzone on Saturday. On one screen pass during team work, he break off a big gain, but lost the football when it was knocked loose by none other than Tim Cole. Williams later jokingly blamed the fumble on the sleeves that he was wearing, noting that he never fears them in games. But he did at least admit that he was making excuses.
  • The afternoon session was rather light-hearted, as Banner wore DGB's no. 5 jersey -- which he filled out quite well, exchanging the no. 73 with Green-Beckham, who didn't quite fill it out the same way that Banner does.
  • The defensive line went against the offensive line in some 7on7 work, leading to a touchdown catch by Magee that spurred an extended dance from the uncommitted prospect.
  • Hearing that Thomas Johnson could take another visit other than his trip to Oregon. Stay tuned on that one.

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All sounds great except for the TJ situation
Agreed.

Someone on OB mentioned TAMU. That would sicken me. If he goes to Oregon, I can’t blame him….

Rock solid man.

You are by far one of the best reporters on this stuff around.

Keep em coming.

Thanks a lot GoBR.

Appreciate the work.

off topic

but is anyone watching the UA game?

yes, was looking for a thread, but...
I was hoping for one as well

with 10 commits playing.

watching on ESPN3 at work

Peter Jinkens had a nasty hit showing speed to come from behind and hit the WR.

Connor Brewer looking athletic!

From the looks of things so far Connor Brewer looking extremely athletic with a huge arm, I would like to see him hit a deep homerun ball to Cayleb jones…it looks like Connor is much larger than advertised…maybe we won’t need Bo Wallace, we might have our qb playing right now!

Malcolm Brown looking like a monster early in UA Game
we're going to need some good nicknames for our 2 Malcolm Browns
just to make things easier
I'm pretty sure

Malcolm Brown is the RB
Malcom Brown is the DLineman

Not 100% sure, but that’s what it looks like on espn. The next MB should try to get the #28 as well.

MBO or MBRB vs MBD or MBDT?
Love what i'm seeing out of MBII
Keep nodding my head in disapointment every time I see TJ make a nice play

Just feeling really pessimistic about him.

I think we'll be alright. Hard to know what the motivation is...

GoBR was saying could be Oregon + another school. I’d rather it be more than one school, feels more like kicking the tires

Perhaps the unsettled nature of the QB situation??????
if he is thinking about committing else where it doesn't seem like the other Horn commits know it.
Is Ken Griffey Jr.

on the Taylor Bible diet? I would not have recognized him if the announcers hadn’t identified him…

Picture of UT Commits

who's missing?
Alex Norman probably... he was hurt during the week and trying to get medically cleared
Yea I think your right cause all these guys have pads on.
speaking of Gray anyone see that catch he just made?
got called back, but

It was a great catch!.

Yes maybe we can run a RB screen now.
Brewer

Needs a redshirt and atleast another year on the sidelines and practicing IMO.

Now I understand why Mack, Harsen and Applewhite are evaluating Wallace.

I agree but the oline in front of him is struggling.
exactly what i was thinking
He hasn't had the chance to set his feet and deliver a good ball.
Pretty good practice for his college career at Texas I'd say.

I keed.

Agree with these points

Brewer has a good looking arm but won’t displace a more mature Ash; agree with the shirt, especially if Wallace comes. Brown and Gray look ready to go now; Gray has great hands. TJ looks terrific – gotta hope the commit holds. Estelle is a beast but his technique and lateral mobility look to need some work. And Riser just got a holding penalty.

Echols has made a couple good plays as well
White teams Oline

is giving their QB 2X as much time as the Black teams is. Bad thing is Black teams OL has Texas commits

I'm surprised too.

Since the white team are notorious gym rats and heady players, but they lack the elite athleticism and speed that the black team has.

Estelle seems to be struggling
These games are not great for evaluation

The drills & practices are better.

The game shows off RB & WRs then DL occasionally CBs/Qbs

Odds Collins Picks UT tonight?

2%?

0.1%

is my take

So you're saying there's a chance
without

a doubt!

lol

Yes, because LSU has nothing to offer him.

Guess that's why he picked Bama.

Don’t be surprised if he changes to LSU on signing day. Mama was NOT happy with the Bama choice and the LSU alums seem to find a way to get cars and cash to recruits (e.g., Perrilloux). He could just be trying to up the ante.

And Brewer is concussed
In front of the that oline i'd rather he sit.
Did you notice who hit Brewer ?

It was SUPER Mario with the LIFT and BODY SLAM and DRIVING Brewer into the turf!!

Does not look like Edwards will be at UT after the way he treated someone who would be a future teammate!

TYhoughts?

Estelle missed the block, right?
I guess Im done watching this game

I was only watching to see how Brewer played. Black teams OL isnt doing as much as white teams. Sit Gray before he gets hurt

NO Way Mario Edwards is a DE!
He is...

He is fast with a quick first step…great moves as well. He will be a DE without a doubt…hard to find guys his size that fast and with skills like his for a DE.

Maybe in a 3-4

the guys is pushing 300, if he isn’t there already

Speed plays into position...

Not many guys his size are that fast. He will stay at DE until proven otherwise. He will also slim down some in college once he gets into a S&C program

How many DL slim down when they get into a college S&C program?

Kid is still in highschool and may very well keep growing. He’ll definitely be adding more muscle.

He was quite a bit quicker than I thought though. Before this game I thought a permanent move to the inside was definite. Now I think he could have the versatility to play both DE and DT depending on the situation.

Still think he’s a DT in the NFL though. Just like Redding and now Melton.

wait...

I thought Mack was recruiting ME at tailback.

see: ASJ, TE Washington.
According to the UW website

and his recruiting profiles from last year…….ASJ is up 8 pounds.

hes stayed at TE and excelled

was more my point

I guess this is our UA thread too

I agree. The black oline is not helping out the QBs at all. But, it is typical in these games that the D has the advantage.

Brewer doesn’t look like the rough tough leader I was hoping to find.

Gray, MBII, Jinkens and Echols have played great. MBII is a monster, and Echols has had very good coverage.

Brewer failed to impress at all, but I put most of the blame on his O-Line.

Summary of what happened?

For those of me that missed the first half?

White

defensive line is flatout dominating the black O-line.

unfortunately

Few Texas kids are blocking for him, well trying to block

Great job GoBR

With your “credentials” and all that!!!

Sterling Shephard

Ran the wrong pass rout on that interception to hurt recruiting chances for DBG.

Book it!

Good call!
Plus after the pick he threw his hands up and stood there while the DB took off and scored.
All the WRs ( Jones included)

Seem to stand and watch if they didn’t get the ball. No sense of blocking at all.

Connor Brewer concussed?

Jesus, even committing to Texas as a QB means bad things happen to you.

The white D Line is overpowering the black O Line making Brewer look less than great. They have also slowed Gray's runs.
Landon Collins could start for us at safety right now.

Or even last year..

Vaccaro and Phillips

I doubt that… I will take them both at this point.

Phillips will have some competition with his surgery
I really like Collins, he is built like a fully grown man!
That just

sounds weird.

I wouldn’t mind him coming to UT, but I just don’t see it.

Still don’t think he would start over Vaccaro or Phillips next year.

ridiculous

Vaccarro would be drafted 3rd rnd if he left. Nobody on the field tonight would be drafted. 3 yrs Collins maybe 1st rnd, but right now he is not near Vaccarro or Philips. People get way too caught up in potential

Please allow me some hyperbole.

It’s been hard watching Texas commits drop like flies tonight.

Duke Johnson

Really hurting the black team. 2 fumbles and a whiffed block leading to a safety…

Yup. Gray is hurt.
Did I just witness that?

They had an injured player hop alone to the opposite sideline? I’m no doctor, but that seems nonideal.

hopped really quickly

good balance.

Gotta love the technique.

Clearly something he’s worked on.

+1
Gray is hurt too.

Fan tastic.

shit. seriously?

bad or just banged up?

hopped off the field.

may have just banged it up. let’s hope he just landed on the knee

FWIW

He fist-bumped as he was hopping.

Either a hammie or a knee ...

Hope not a knee.

Probably his knees. They were injured during the state title game. Must have re-aggravated them again.
looked like an ankle
I thought it was his knee

but it didn’t look like it was really serious.

could possibly be the knee, but I would lean more towards ankle. With a knee injury one wouldnt flex the knee and then hop on it adding more stress to it…but an ankle, it makes more sense to do what he did.

I did see him hop off the field

I just re-watched it. You are right, looked like it must be his ankle.

Dude hopped like a freaking kangaroo. No doubt he hopped on one leg faster than I can sprint. Great show of medical/trainers to not get out there. Geeze.

oh sweet baby Jesus not Gray....
Gray

has been a lot of miles over the last 4 years.

That is my biggest concern with him.

He will definitely benefit from having Brown and Bergeron in front of him.

So true

He is like buying an auto dealer’s own personal ride. Super cool car, but has a lot of miles for being “new.”

He and his family were smart to see the benefit of playing with M.Brown and Bergeron. RB is the shortest career and they need to save the mileage.

Yeah, but they were highway miles. He was barely touched and I'm not sure he ever played a 4th qtr!
This is true

But he still is near the top of the all-time list for number of carries, if I’m not mistaken. Still takes a bit of a toll!

so to recap:

Texas QB commit – no time to pass and knocked out of game; Texas RB commit – few holes to run through, best play called back, knocked out of game….I feel like I’m still watching the 2011 season!

If I were a conspiracy guy

I would say it was OU recruits “blocking” for them

definitely

wasx an issue with Sterling SHephard standing around during that interception… and then not even trying to tackle the guy.

One thing is for sure… either Brewer or Shephard made a mistake on that play.

Well, let's be clear about it

It was our OL commit that made the hold (without need) that caused Gray’s long pass catch to be called back. LOL

Gray does have some sweet hands though….seriously.

Yep

And Estelle gave up the sack where Brewer got crushed on

This is like a bad pee wee game

Ugh…now they are saying the black team is all Longhorn. I thought winning our bowl game would hold me over, now I’m biting my nails again. This black team has some talent, but the O has not been it.

TE didnt chip the DE at all even though the DE lined up way outside the TE

absolutely impossible for a HS senior LT to get out there against any1 that quick.

Nice catch by Cayleb Jones.
Cayleb Jones made a nice catch for a first down

For those without the game. The White team’s QB Dusty Mangum? is now playing QB for the Black team. Obviously he didn’t practice with the black team, but he is the best QB that has played on the Black team. I think the white team may be letting more 2nd/3rd stringers play defense.

Tanner Mangum
Thanks. I kept thinking I heard the name Dusty Mangum before and it wasn't at QB.
lol...sounds more like a kicker, huh?
It will all depend on Searels and Wylie, and whether than can turn our O Line into a strong agressive group.

If they do, Ash/Wallace can take us to 10 or 11 wins. If they don’t, were back to 8 or 9. Our D will keep us in most games, but we have to have a strong O Line to excel.

White team runs back a a touchdown on a punt

I guess they don’t call holding during the run backs.

Is that Gray back on the field?
No. Sorry saw the number wrong
I believe in miracles and I believe Landon Collins will shock the world and commit to UT!
And the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus?

Tell us you know them too.

We didn't even make final 2

Other guy just went to Bama….So I think it is safe to say

Tough when your mom doesn't support you.
Damn. That must have been hard for LSU fans to watch.
He needs to get away from Momma.

She could have ended up being a Craig James type of parent

i doubt his mom has killed 5 hookers
Did you see that expression?

If they were from Bama she just might.

So you're saying We got a chance ?
Mom is not happy - bet this is subject to change
Landon Collins

His momma is NOT happy with his choice of Bama. I bet that he ends up in Baton Rouge…His mother isn’t messing around and she’s from NOLA.

I can’t believe he picked Bama

lol he picked Bama?
Yeah, and his mama shook her head NO

And then said Tigers are #1….very strange. She is still smacking his head.

geez

Gray’s dad played for Tech but he was all smiles at his press conference saying he was going to UT

ESPN Agenda

This is all just a publicity stunt to promote the title game. Landon Collins wants to go to Texas but was pressured into choosing one of the teams in the title game. I wouldn’t be suprised if he decommits from Bama and switches to either LSU or Texas by signing day.

Agreed

Gotta believe he ends up at LSU eventually

What a weeeiird commit
Weird is say the least.

Against the whole family wishes is nothing you can proud of. He’s gonna be have a long not day but years to come. His ears will soon sicked and tired to hear of “I told you so…why you didn’t listen to me?” blah blah blah….

By the way, happy new year to you buddy! How’s your school going? Coming back to visit Austin soon?

I do not see his mother signing that LOI to Bama

I can’t imagine why he isn’t excited about his future at LSU, because that is where he is going.

All I can think of

He just want to pull a “tv stunt”?

That's kind of how his mom looked at him

Like quit being a goof-off. You could tell he was creeping and she was not kidding.

That's going to be a loooong car ride home tonight.

His mom was even waving around LSU purple and gold gloves. Eeesh.

Someone hit the nail on the head though — he may need to get away from her. Helicopter.

Just got back from Austin actually; couldn’t wait to get back to this zero degree weather .. grumble..

Haha...the helicopter

Hope you’ve great time with your family there. In Hong Kong, I got the cold damp weather here with drizzle. I thought it happens often in Austin. But there’s no immune from the other side of the globe, either. Crap!

Just to clarify

I think you’re confusing me with someone else. I don’t know anyone from Hong Kong. You seem like a nice guy though!

Thanks and no problem

I thought we’ve chat to each other before. Haha…my bad.

He's going to LSU.
Mom had LSU colors on too!
Sooner or later, he will be at LSU
He's trying to show his mom he's a man

But he’s going to LSU…Saban should BACK off but wont’. That was weird. NONE of his friends/family clapped for him when he said it.

wondering if Collins has heard of Saban and oversigning???
ok i havent been around to watch the game since the 2nd quarter

i read earlier that Gray came off the field….please tell me its not serious….

Dont know yet...he hopped off the field for whatever thats worth.
why does God hate us?
he only

loves Tim Tebow.

MEJ drove Brewer into the turf....

Maybe gave him the concussion….either way, it doesn’t bode well for him committing to Texas IMO.

why would you say that?
Why would he pile drive his future QB and teammate in an all-star game?
Because he could

He wasn’t at all thinking like that.

He has supposedly been hanging out with the Texas 10 all week

Surely, he could have made the tackle without driving into the turf.

im sure it wasnt malicious or anything like that

sometimes you hit harder than you meant to in a game like that

I hope I'm wrong....Dude is a beast!
You can't be serious

It isn’t like that..He tackeled the kid. He didn’t Suh Stomp him or nothing like that.

Are you Serious ?

He Picked up Brewer and slammed him into the turf!’

THEN DROVE HIM into the turf with his 300 LB self !

hes a competitor

you think Rod Wright would think twice about slamming VY’s head into the turf during a high school all star game?

Exactly. I like that he targets any QB with extreme prejudice.
That wasn't the play he was hurt on.
Ward caused the consussion...made Estelle look bad
Estelle

made himself look bad. He didnt block/pass protect all nite

Sorry for my complete ignorance, but

Who is MEJ? Damn I hate acronyms.

Mario Edwards Jr.
On another note

…these announcers talked about no Oregon commits playing in the game. Pray this doesn’t jinx TJ into being a duck.

TJ looked pretty good

Kid is quick.

Yes indeed ...

And Jones, while not a speed merchant, looks like he has really good hands and mo fear of contact.

... no fear
Poor black team

Just scored with 20 seoconds left to make it 49-16, then pat is blocked. LOL

and how many of our players were on the black team?
10
well thats just great.....
kinda glad our guys were average

now we can put ego’s away and prepare to play football…

I believe the term is

african american

These are not the people...

that built our railroads, Walter. Wait…

Well, overall this was a bit disappointing on a couple of levels.
ill say

QB=hurt
once in a lifetime RB=hurt

look i like john gray plenty

can we nip the once in a lifetime narrative in the bud already. ridiculous.

yes we had Ricky... He was once in a lifetime and then Cedric...

I guess Thrice in a Lifetime…

At least as to DGB

They just said this game won’t effect his decision between Ark, Mizzou and Tex. They didn’t mention OU…..

Landen Collins aint gonna get no fried chicken dinner at home on Sunday !
UA Assessment

Brewer looked iffy and never really got into rhythm but he couldn’t because he was running for his life. He will benefit from a ’shirt. Hope he gets better soon.

TJ flashed but I did notice him not giving 100% at times. However, these games really aren’t a tell all…especially on O.

Estelle is RAW. Ward ate him alive. Hope we can ’shirt him but depth could be an issue. Riser did ok and should probably ’shirt as well…once again, depth issues.

Cayleb battling injuries and just didn’t look 100%. He should be a good one. Norman hurt as well.

JG is going to a special. Love his versatility. The lack of news about his injury concerns me though…not good.

Collins will be at LSU…his mom was pissed off and I mean PISSED. Not a good sign for Saban (although any chance to screw Saban is worth it).

MEJ is filthy. Should we flip him…we should be #1 again. Best DE ahead of Ward hands down. He is a gamer so don’t be concerned about him laying out Brewer.

As to TJ, I think the other visit is Cal from what Tipsy is saying. Hopefully we can hang onto him.

Forgot MB

Nasty nasty nasty…look for him in the rotation next year.

YES MBII was a highlight

The dude has a definite motor and could definitely see some time early which is great news.
Agree with all the rest. Brewer needs a redhsirt just to be on the track team to learn to run faster if our O Line is anything like the black team’s.

At least our OL is developing and coming together...

That Black OL was horrible…MEJ, Ward, and Collins all on white’s D was just wrong in so many ways

MBII could possibly make an immediate impact.
God how sick...

Would that D-Line be in two years, with Brown and Edwards.

Not too worried about Gray.

But it does make me wish he was enrolling early now…For my own personal selfishness I don’t want him hurting his knee any further.

ESPN Blogger said that Gray had fluid in his knee drained just before the State Championship game. Could’ve been the issue tonight he thought.

Be worried

Couldn’t put any pressure on that leg…usually a sign of a tear or cartilage damage. Fluid also builds after damage.

Usually in these games, if the injury is minor, they will say something…they said nothing about his injury which is a bad sign.

They didn't even help him off the field

I have little faith that they had much of a clue as to anything. I’m sure he will get into a top doc and then we will know what is up. Fortunately he has some time to heal.

STLAW-- I asume because of your name your field of profession is Law...

which leads me to believe you are playing internet doctor…which makes you a dumbass.

Maybe you should be the one worried.

I could Not agree more^^^^
Well...I'm ready to be a K-State cheerleader

Good Luck K-State, beat the hell out of the hogs!!!!

Yes, I'd like to see wizard dig on swine.
Collins...Mama Gonna Knock you out!

His mom was pissed. No way he ends up at Bama when its all said and done. Sad but it was funny. Best part of the game.

Everyone including the talking heads thought he was going to say LSU

It actually was funny, because his mom called him out to his face…..I really can’t wait to hear him say he did it on a dare. When they asked why Bama he didn’t even know what to say. She looked at him like, yeah, big man, why Bama?

LSU should offer her

I think she is tougher than him!!!

I think we saw why he's going to Bama...

To get away from his crazy mom. Can’t blame the kid one bit. His mom would prob be trying live in his dorm at LSU.

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
JG Injury

Per post over at Recruitocosm/BC…JG Dad texted 247 and said it was his ankle and should be fine. Good news indeed

Really?....slowly backing off the ledge....
Yeah and ditto

Well, we also don't need to worry about Brewer getting a big head

And throwing us back if we do take JUCO Bo Wallace.

I was going to inseart a big head joke but that’s what she said.

Right, but even with UT's O-line, he will have more than .000001 seconds

to scan and release. Maybe like .00001. : )

Question on your avatar.

Is that supposed to be Fozzy’s funeral?

Haha. Even the North Koreans were mourning the loss of Fozzy for the season.
dont tease me bro
Bryson Echols

He played pretty well. With all the bad, he was anothe bright spot.

Yep

Very technically sound. Small, but he’ll be good!

GoBR...

If T. Johnson de-commits, will Texas offer Corey Coleman?

Landon Collins

with the commit Bama is listed with 26 recruits. Didnt SEC put in a 25 limit scholarship? Is Bama ignoring it or was it all BS?

I'm sure some of those recruits will enroll early or are junior college kids that won't count towards the 25

similar to what Texas is doing this year.

What you are describing is the NCAA limit of 25 per class

I thought the SEC added some type of limit on top of the NCAA 25

yes

i was talking about the SEC imposed limit

Saban doesn't worry about limits....from Michigan State, to LSU and now Bama, he will talk under performers or injured guys to give up their rides or take medicals. It is one of the reasons for his teams success for years.
codaxx - I was responding to 2Cor12:9

I have the same question as you as to how the 2 are different.

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