With ATM out of the schedual for the forseable future, a new Rivalry Weak game and eventual rivalry will have to be schedualed. Many people are looking at TCU as being ATM's replacement because of the similar level in caliber and the media liking a classic Austin Vs. Dallas rivalry. However some schools could also be seen as taking the role such as K-state or OSU. Personally I think a K-state rivalry wouldn't be too bad if we could find a way to beat them for once. Some may hate to admit it, but they have dominated Texas over the past couple of meetings. Anyways, who do you think should be next?
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K-state/OSU/TCU
they are really the only possibilities I think based on caliber and location. I would say WV would have also been a contender if it weren’t for the fact that they are so far away. Same with Iowa State.
Brkroger - February 14, 2012
I think TCU
A lot of the fun with rivalries is talking smack and going to the games. I know way more TCU people than K State and could make more games in Fort Worth than Manhattan
cade21 - February 14, 2012
I agree
The big test though is whether TCU will be sustainability good. I know they have a lot of positives such as money, location, fan base, and culture, but ATM had all of that and were never the caliber of Texas or OU. I like the addition of TCU, but i don’t think they can stay good. ATM will still get the 2nd best recruits out of texas, behind UT. TCU will have to draw from the caliber of Baylor and Tech.
Brkroger - February 14, 2012
I disagree
I truly think TCU will greatly benefit from being in the Big XII. They’ve been able to pull some incredible talent in a weak conference with no guaranteed BCS track. Now that they have that, I think it’ll lure a few more talents their way.
GoHorns - February 14, 2012
IDK
TCU is great at developing players into good talent. But the fact is, they were in a weak conference. I agree that they are strong, but its hard to tell just how good they are used to playing really weak teams.
Brkroger - February 14, 2012
TCU Sched
2008:
Stanford (won)
OU (lost)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Boise State (won)
2009:
Virginia (won)
Clemson (won)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Boise State (lost)
2010:
Oregon State (won)
Baylor (won)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Wisconsin (won)
2011:
Baylor (lost)
BYU (won)
Wyoming (won)
Boise State (won)
First, I included BYU and Wyoming only because we have also played these teams in recent years. Second, they’ve played some quality teams and have won against strong competition. They have shown they’re not afraid to play with the big boys. Third, their conference foes were fairly lackluster, but they’ve made up for it with their willingness to go to some tough out of conference stadiums.
I think they’ll have some initial adjustments to make to the Big XII when considering they’ll be playing tough foes week in and week out, but I don’t think they’re going to take a considerable step down.
GoHorns - February 14, 2012
I agree 100%
I like TCU’s chances of winning the Big 12 in the next few years. One thing to consider though, it that when you play easier teams week in and out, your players might not necessarily be as worked or exhausted mid-late in the season. This does not mean though that they won’t be as competitive next year. I would love to see TCU-Texas become a big, nationally respected game.
Brkroger - February 14, 2012
I actually don't know that TCU has the fanbase or money
I could be wrong, but they’re a pretty small alumni base, and despite current popularity, I get the feeling they don’t have the kind of non-alumni fanbase that’ll stick around through the down times. When Texas went 5-7, and back during some rougher years in the era between DKR and Mack, Texas still had a huge fanbase, right? I don’t know that that’s there for TCU to ride out any down times. I think they benefit most from location, a good team culture, and quality coaching. Is that going to be enough?
burntorangehorn - February 15, 2012
TCU and K-State...
…should be each other’s new rivals…it could be called the “Color Purple Weekend” and they could create the Purple People-eater Trophy!
Of course, in light of the “major drug bust” on the TCU campus late last night or early this morning…they can now change their mascot from Horned Frogs to just plain “Purps”!
Those naughty little Christians.
patriks10 - February 15, 2012
The "Color Purple Weekend"
So, would Oprah be the Game Hostess? That would get us that all-important female age 30-60 demographic.
robthecob - February 21, 2012
I thought OU was our rival
A&M was a gnat.
Hopkins Horn - February 14, 2012
They are
but we don’t play them during rivalry week, so we have to have a team to fill that 2nd rival spot
Brkroger - February 14, 2012
What is "rivalry week"? Is that the made-up ESPN branding thingie?
Hopkins Horn - February 15, 2012
Not sure how it began, but it's nation-wide
It’s Thanksgiving weekend. Some are contrived rivalries that schools are trying to develop, while others are long-standing, legitimate ones. Looks like Texas will be working on the former, at least for the short term.
Some include:
LSU-Arkie
Pitt-WVU
Ohio State-Michigan
Alabama-Auburn
Kansas-Missouri
UVA-VT
FSU-UF
Notre Dame-USC/Stanford
Clemson-South Carolina
Tennessee-Kentucky
Purdue-Indiana
Oregon-Oregon St.
USAFA-Colorado St.
Washington-Washington St.
Mississippi-Mississippi St.
USC-UCLA (in non-ND-USC years, I believe)
Georgia-Georgia Tech
I believe OU-OSU has recently been a rivalry week game, but the conference moved it to December to maintain some visibility while 12+-school conferences are playing conference championship games.
Anyway, it’s just a traditional week to have one of a team’s bigger rivalry games, if not its biggest.
burntorangehorn - February 15, 2012
OU-OSU was moved to Thanksgiving weekend this year
Unless the Big 12 goes back to 12 teams I think they’ll leave it there. Like the UT-ATM rivalry, it makes since to have it then so travel is reasonable during the holiday. OU-Iowa St. last Thanksgiving was a bad idea.
soonerspeak - February 15, 2012
so sad...no more
UT/A&M
Pitt/WVU
KU/MU
TowerPower - February 15, 2012
Well....
UT/A&M – What % would be glad/sad…I’ll say more glad.
Pitt/WVU – the loss this game means a reprieve for couches throughout West Virginia
KU/MU – In hoops most definitely sad
soonerspeak - February 15, 2012
Just a few years
ago we would have been saying Tech. Oh, how they must miss the Pirate!
UT Fanatic - February 14, 2012
TTU
i still say Tech. I think that would make for an awesome rivalry game. And i suspect it would help them in recruiting and make them enough better to where it would be , on a regular basis, a great game
Longhorn723 - February 14, 2012
Tech isn't the most formidable program overall, but...
…they have most of the makings of an ideal replacement rivalry, in my opinion. They have the in-state football culture, the kind of geography that results in those split family allegiances and recruiting battles, solid resources and fanbase, good or soon-to-be good facilities, administrative dedication to football, and a lot more. No candidate is perfect, but the only things standing between Tech and becoming a stronger rival than aggie was seem to be a little more real estate between the towns, a little smaller fanbase, and a less long-standing matchup.
What’s interesting is that in terms of record, Tech vs. aggie was actually much more of a football rivalry than UT vs. aggie.
burntorangehorn - February 15, 2012
Tech won't be our only Thanksgiving rival...
DeLoss pointed out that if we did home and homes with Tech like we did with A&M their stadium would be half empty since Lubbock is so far out there for the average traveling fan, the genius of the UT/A&M Thanksgiving game is that both schools were pretty central in the I35/I10/I45 triangle that made it easy for fans of both schools and DFW/Hou/SA to travel to the game and allowed most students easy travel to home and back, Lubbock offer none of these benefits…Ft Worth or Waco would be better logistical options, and I lean more towards TCU due to their recent success…
TowerPower - February 15, 2012
If your talking about Thankgiving...
it sounds like DeLoss is trying to get it to always be at DKR, so Tech/TCU/Baylor/and maybe OSU would rotate into that slot every few years, but ESPN wants it to be a game of national interest so no telling who will be slotted in beyond this year…if that doesn’t work I vote to just play home and home on Thanksgiving with TCU, Ft Worth is way easier to travel to. While Baylor would also be easy to travel to I doubt they Texas/Baylor game will be turning heads any time soon…
TowerPower - February 14, 2012
My take...
I feel like I want to make TCU our rival. I know this, the friends of the frog def. are ready to make us a national rival, haha. I like the TCU rivalry, but man, i want kansas state!! they make me nervous like a rival should…who knows, maybe WVU will come down to austin and stir up some drama…poor aggies, who are they going to be rivals with? bama and lsu are too busy hating each other to notice aggie. maybe they will get feisty with ole miss
ACnDaHorns - February 14, 2012
Arkansas
Arkansas will be a great rival to ATM. They were both in the old South West conference and had a great rivalry back then.
Brkroger - February 14, 2012
And if aggy improves
they can fight for third in the division every year.
cade21 - February 15, 2012
Well, they, more often than not, fought for 3rd in the Southwest Conference anyway.
robthecob - February 21, 2012
Huh?
“Some may hate to admit it, but [KSU] have dominated Texas over the past couple of meetings.”
Really? You must be new here. BON’ers have come to accept this the same way we accept that OU Sucks. Hell, at times it annoys me how so many BON’ers embrace this losing to KSU.
iamjackburton - February 14, 2012
Yup.
Light the tower purple.
kriess - February 15, 2012
The basketball win the other night is step one in reversing the trend!
burntorangehorn - February 15, 2012
I know it is embraced here..
.. but i was more referring to the entire UT fan base as a whole. Sorry
Brkroger - February 15, 2012
I think it’s entirely possible for TCU to beat Texas in football around about as often as the Aggies did the past decade or so: 3. If our conference partnership goes on for ages I imagine there will be times when we win 5-6, and times when we win 0-1, but given the relative prestige of the two schools that’s about what I’d predict.
If that’s rival material, then I’m all for it. Want to make a huge ugly statue of a frog with longhorn horns and call it the Bullfrog trophy?
HawkeyedFrog - February 15, 2012
Heh, I like the name
The problem is that a creature of that description could also just be called a Horned Frog, no?
Ten internet points to the person with the best idea and/or rendering of a trophy!
burntorangehorn - February 15, 2012
My only problem with TCU is...
.. their color. It is hard to get fired up about playing a purple team. Every so often there was always a recruit that would say that he didn’t pick aggies because he just didn’t like the color. Purple is sorta the same way. That being said, LSU pulls of the look pretty well
Brkroger - February 15, 2012
They had a nice uniform last year
Purple and camo I think. I thought that was kinda cool.
iamjackburton - February 16, 2012
We only have 2 rivals now and that’s OU and the SEC so this year it’ll be Ole Miss. Hopefully Notre Dame comes over and then we can add them as well.
spakastu - February 15, 2012
A rival isn't "selected"
it evolves over time because of results on the field. Arkansas was our most heated rival in the 60’s because we played for conference & national titles. TT was a rival, although not as big as OUsucks, because they could beat us. At one time Houston was a rival because they beat us & won conference titles. We are probably the most hated rival of most teams in the Big 12 but that doesn’t make them our rival. Trying to “select” a rival to replace A&M is absurd & is an insult to that rivalry. It’s like getting a divorce & then deciging you must “select” a new girlfriend.
If we have another meaningful rivalry it will evolve from events on the field.
ole tnhorn - February 15, 2012
Hey, you have to get your benefits from somewhere after the divorce, right?
Might as well start dating.
burntorangehorn - February 15, 2012
Yes
but the first one probably isn’t a “girlfriend”, just a nonconference tuneup. A new relationship where you both love to hate each other takes time. You have to learn how to hurt each other.
ole tnhorn - February 15, 2012
Absolutely...but you have to date around a little and find one that works
As far as whether it counts as a rivalry, not all rivalries are as revered as others. It’s fun to dust off one’s shoulder and say that it wasn’t much of a rivalry with aggie, which it sometimes wasn’t, but it was obviously the second most important one after OU at the time of the “divorce.” That’s not easily replaced, and it’s not going to happen overnight. But attempting to replace them with either a currently lesser rivalry (Tech) or a new one that has potential to bloom (TCU for now, rumoredly Notre Dame at some point) could still be called a rivalry at some point, even if it’s not anywhere near the same level at this time.
burntorangehorn - February 15, 2012
Agree
ole tnhorn - February 15, 2012
Yes, I agree..
.. but this is not necessarily about “selecting” a rival. This who you could see as maybe becoming a rival eventually. More of a prediction. Besides, a game ultimately has to be selected for rivalry week, and because we don’t have a solid rivalry (other than OU because they won’t move that), we will have to make a decision on who to put in that week’s slot
Brkroger - February 15, 2012
I think if Patterson stays at TCU for a while a rivalry could develope
But as posters above have stated it takes years to develop a rivalry like OU-Texas or Texas-ATM. TCU’s continued relevance might be at risk if Patterson were to leave. It does seem like a natural fit though and I hope it does turn into a rivalry. It improves the Big 12 and provides an interesting game to watch for all of us college football junkies. (hate the clickers TCU uses though)
soonerspeak - February 15, 2012
Who do you think will become WV biggest rival in the BIG 12
I know the obvious might be OU or UT, but maybe it will end up being OSU with the Gundy-Holgerson connection.
soonerspeak - February 15, 2012
Aggie would have been
owning to their shared uncommon love of animals & sisters.
ole tnhorn - February 15, 2012
All I know is
That is WVU were to decide Texas is their new rivals…well…color me rather terrified.
lnghrn53 - February 15, 2012
The whole Burnt Orange thing plays right into their psychosis, huh :?
soonerspeak - February 15, 2012
Well, if we're already "Burnt" ...
… maybe they’ll move their little couch death march down the road to other parts of the Big 12*.
robthecob - February 21, 2012
Gotta start with OU.
I seem to recall a bowl game a few years ago…
pleaseplaykindle - February 15, 2012
Yeah, they (Pat White) made us look bad...slow..whatever
Would love to get some payback.
soonerspeak - February 15, 2012
Oh I remember that game
Wow. Shocked everyone, I think.
iamjackburton - February 16, 2012
Notre Dame
Make it happen.
BurntOrangeTexans - February 16, 2012
Notre Dame on Thanksgiving would be my first choice.
If that doesn’t happen I would like it to be the Ags again. A large fan base is a must so that rules out TCU. Would prefer Tech over an out of state team.
FringeHorn - February 16, 2012
Iowa St?
You really think distance is the only reason?
Troll?
natasftw - February 19, 2012
What about LSU anybody?? That could be a great rivalry
Both are solid programs with huge fan bases. Both fight for some of the same recruits, both are close. It would be really interesting.
Brkroger - February 19, 2012
Pretty sure Texas wants to minimize SEC exposure in the state
burntorangehorn - February 19, 2012
Well, if you're gonna go LSU / $EC ....
… you might as well revive the Texas / Arkansas rivalry. It still would be awesome. Would probably be the very best Turkey Day rivalry possible for UT, bar none (’cept for aggy). For many of us here, this would trump a UT vs. Notre Dame or any other shallow manufactured rivalry.
robthecob - February 21, 2012
You don't get together and vote on who should be your next rival.
It just happens. Therefore this post is pointless.
But if you are going to make pointless posts in the future, learn to spell.
UTgrad'08 - February 21, 2012
Interesting post.
First of all, TCU is in Ft. Worth, not Dallas. To any FW citizen, they bristle at that assumption. So, this would not be a classic Austin vs. Dallas rivalry. Regardless …
TCU was only a good rivalry w/ Texas back in the ‘30s, ’40s, & ’50s, when TCU was a national power. Since then, TCU has been an afterthought on Texas’ schedule, even in the SWC. It would be pretty far-fetched to think this would ever be a serious rivalry since it really never has been before. Big State School vs. Small Private Religious School doesn’t turn into a rivalry much at all.
Baylor vs. Texas is a much bigger rivalry, despite the domination the ‘Horns have shown there. Even SMU vs. Texas was bigger for a number of decades. TTech holds many similarities to Texas but they’re now dipping into the cesspool of mediocrity. Until Arky, LSU, or aggy starts playing the ‘Horns annually in the future, this Longhorn fan will not consider any others worthy of being a true rival of UT. Guess we’ll just have to be happy with those sooners, for right now.
robthecob - February 21, 2012
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