Am I crazy for thinking this? It seems like the no-relation-to-Emeka-Okafor has been anointed as the next Julius Peppers, while the guy with an NFL dad has been inexplicably dropped to second fiddle. Yet he had better numbers last year. And virtually the same numbers the year before. And while he hasn't broken sack records in the Spring Game, he has brought the heat during the season.
Different positions, different responsibilities.
I think we all agree that Jeffcoat has the better ceiling, but yes as of right now, Okafor has proven to be more consistent. Jeffcoat has also been injury prone at times.
You’re looking at this all wrong. Don’t look to stats to compare players of different positions. Look at how they handle their main responsibilities in the scheme that Diaz runs instead. When you compare 2010 numbers, keep in mind you’re comparing a back-up to Sam Acho and Eddie Jones vs an undersized and out of position DT.
kriess - February 9, 2012
Wait a minute
You mean you can’t just look at the numbers for 30 seconds and make a comparison? You have to actually look at the film? and weigh the responisibilities? And view it in context?
That is crazy talk. Lazy analysis is good analysis.
SwimTexas - February 9, 2012
Lol lol
I did preface this thing by saying, “Am I crazy…?” Lol lol
Seriously though, this wasn’t born out of a quick stats check. It was from watching every game last year. Stats just confirmed it. I think Okafor is fantastic…I just think Jeffcoat has been more consistent.
sambunnell - February 9, 2012
So you think both are good?
Hippie Killer - February 9, 2012
Ribeye is better than Porterhouse
similar statement
ole tnhorn - February 9, 2012
This just in...
Banana nut bread is better than cornbread.
beast in bama - February 9, 2012
Ahhh man,
that is the truest thing I have ever heard.
40A - February 9, 2012
Confused about this one,
who cares really? Both are fantastic and both are future NFL’ers.
We are blessed to have them both.
chupita - February 9, 2012
This is another opinion that didn't need to be its own thread
This discussion point could’ve fit easily into a lot of existing threads, including several you started yourself, sam.
And these guys play different kinds of end. Why not complain about Quandre Diggs being supposedly “inexplicably dropped to second fiddle” behind Kenny Vaccaro?
Also, it’s not really relevant that JJ’s dad was in the NFL when comparing him to Okafor. Tre’ Newton’s father was in the NFL as well, but would it make sense to have used that as part of an argument that Tre was better than, say, Chris Ogbonnaya?
burntorangehorn - February 9, 2012
Watchdog
Do you consider yourself the scourge of BON, or something? I don’t know if you recently went through some personal tragedy that has you mad at the world, but it seems you can hardly do anything but criticize other posters. In your reply, there are so many misinterpretations of what I said, I just don’t have the heart to pick it apart. Maybe consider not responding, or at least responding to the football question that was initially posted.
sambunnell - February 9, 2012
He's right. I'm tired of these redundant and unnecessary posts.
2Cor12:9 - February 9, 2012
We’re just spoiled around here. Most contributors actually contribute something, so we get used to clicking on every link without necessary screening who posted it. Don’t worry, after this week you’re starting to change that…
UTLawGrad - February 9, 2012
I responded appropriately
You seem to create a new thread for every thought that comes to mind. It can usually go somewhere else, rather than pushing existing fanposts/fanshots off the front page. It’s just common courtesy…and common sense. I’m far from the only one who has mentioned this to you.
As for misrepresentations, what did I misrepresent? You said that JJ had been dropped to second fiddle, when in fact he and Okafor are not competing for the same position on the depth chart. Those two positions they hold also serve different functions in the scheme, as the buck is more like a typical blindside end in the NFL. It goes against the athletic left tackle of the OL and is intended to achieve maximum disruption of the passing game by putting pressure on the quarterback. This is the position Orakpo played in 2008, Kindle mostly assumed in 2009, and a combination of Eddie Jones, Dravannti Johnson, and Jeffcoat held down in 2010.
The strongside end can still function as a pass-rusher, but is also lined up against the run-blocking RT and has much greater responsibility against the run. This is the position Melton played opposite Orakpo in 2008, and that Acho played for 2009-2010. While Okafor was listed as the backup at buck behind Kindle in 2009, the need to move him and experience games from his time at tackle made him a natural fit for the strongside end position. To my knowledge Jeffcoat has never appeared on the depth chart at strong end, and he and Okafor have never appeared at the same position. One is not second fiddle to the other, and the differences in their stats make sense, since they’re not ends playing in a symmetrical defense.
The NFL dad issue was presented in your argument, so I pointed out that it’s completely irrelevant to comparing these two kids’ relative quality. I’m not sure where you’ve been seeing the Peppers comparisons, but if they exist, then they’re relevant, and paternity isn’t, except to the extent that Jeffcoat brought his genetics and skills his father gave him to the 40 Acres. But those genetics and skills aren’t part of a valid argument; the relative performances would be, except that they’re playing two different positions with two mostly different assignments.
burntorangehorn - February 9, 2012
You are both right.
burntorangehorn has taken it upon himself to policing the site. If your post doesn’t meet his standards…he will let you know.
Guys, if you are going to post something on the fan shot…run it by burntorangehorn first to make sure it will be OK with him.
on the other hand…
Sambunnell must have just discovered this site and the answer to most of your fanposts should be Crickets.
Hippie Killer - February 9, 2012
That's a stupid way to describe it
I’m quick to question something that’s unsubstantiated, but I don’t just shoot down things I don’t like. On other other hand, hippie killer can always be trusted to be the voice of reason.
burntorangehorn - February 9, 2012
Now THAT is a reasonable conclusion!
Hippie Killer - February 9, 2012
Nice...
Man, that seriously made me laugh. Crickets. By the way, PB already gave me the heads up about FanPosts. That’s why I did a FanShot for this. And if it pushes somebody else’s off the front page…I really don’t care, sorry, burntorangehorn.
sambunnell - February 9, 2012
Well, not to nit-pick or anything,
but barring head injuries, I think Newton would have been better than Ogbonnaya, but I digress…
40A - February 9, 2012
Yep, that could well have been true, but his dad wasn't why
I guess a better example could’ve been, say, Cedric Benson vs. Jarrett Payton, had Payton played for Texas.
burntorangehorn - February 9, 2012
Oh I agree with your dad comment,
I just happened to have loved me some healthy Tre Newton. Guy had excellent vision, could have been a good runner for us.
40A - February 9, 2012
Brooklyn Decker is hotter than Giselle Bundchen
Hippie Killer - February 9, 2012
truth.
ibleedburntorange49-9 - February 9, 2012
LeBron is better than Kobe...
both are NFL guys….we will truly know the answer to this years down the road…but for sake of discussion, ill take jeffcoat. Okafor is a monster, so don’t get me wrong. I just think JJ demands and gets more respect from opposing OCs. This season will really answer this question as both players should have “breakout” season on a national level. Lets just hope Malcolm in the Middle doesn’t steal all the thunder
ACnDaHorns - February 9, 2012
I don't like the "more respect from OC" argument,
I mean, of course JJ is going to have more respect, as his primary goal is to beat the blind-side OT and get to the QB. In a pass-happy conference OCs will put more of an effort into guarding Jeffcoat. If we played in the SEC, OCs would be gameplanning more for Okafor because he needs to hold up well against the run.
Again, not a fair comparison, as they are asked to do two completely different things.
40A - February 9, 2012
Malcom In the Middle...
I like it.
sambunnell - February 9, 2012
Not following?
Just pointing out that it’s unfair due to the duties assigned.
40A - February 10, 2012
Think he meant to reply to AC
And was referring to the nickname “Malcom in the Middle” for the new DT. I have to admit that I don’t think that’s too bad either.
burntorangehorn - February 10, 2012
Lets just hope...
he is worthy of the name…I agree 40A, they are asked to do different things, I just think JJ is a player that will succeed at the next level before Oak does. I could be completely wrong
ACnDaHorns - February 10, 2012
You could be right about JJ,
I lament Oak’s one year playing DT, but I think he could be just as good if unleashed the way Jeffcoat was. I think Manny will find more ways to showcase Oak’s talents next year.
40A - February 10, 2012
Okafor, despite being a little older, could really have more untapped talent than Jeffcoat
Jeffcoat was reportedly working on more advanced drills and techniques with his dad and other professionals long before he arrived at Texas, which is why I think he came in needing so little technical development in the pass-rush aspect of his game. He did improve against the run, and he obviously had a ways to go physically, but now he’s a talent to behold. With all that said, a guy like that is probably nearer his capacity than a guy who didn’t have all that advanced technical development, as was the case with Okafor. He looks like he could get a lot better, and it’s possible he’s only really scratching the surface.
burntorangehorn - February 10, 2012
Agreed.
Man, after all my ill will toward you, I really enjoyed that response. Quality take, and I think the best overall response to my FanShot here. Truce offered…lol.
sambunnell - February 11, 2012
You got it
All I really wanted to convey was that it’s great to just post in an existing thread instead of creating a new one, unless there’s no thread remotely related. But all’s well, and it appears the fanshots and fanposts are remaining visible for more than a day now.
Good players, these guys.
burntorangehorn - February 11, 2012
Could be...
I remember reading Manny talk about Oak saying stuff like “he doesn’t have any idea how strong he is..”…stuff like that makes me get the chills
ACnDaHorns - February 11, 2012
For what reason
do you believe Jeffcoat is superior to Okafor? There is zero analysis here at all.
Nickel Rover - March 23, 2012
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